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Re: [TR] Will a 'out-of-spot' tappet necessarily be higher, like this?

To: Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1@gmail.com>, Rye Livingston <ryel@mac.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] Will a 'out-of-spot' tappet necessarily be higher, like this?
From: TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2018 13:46:52 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: "Triumph list Team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
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Surfeit of caution on my part, probably, since I am a clumsy oaf who would 
likely scratch the contact surface of the pushrod-to-tappet.  That and I don't 
know if the hardened part of the tappet is confined to the cam lob (flat) end. 

> On October 1, 2018 at 1:06 PM Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>     What's special about brass or bronze?  I know their softer, but, seems 
> like the coat hanger would be sufficient to hold it down.
> 
>     On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:01 PM Paul Dorsey < dorpaul1@gmail.com 
> mailto:dorpaul1@gmail.com > wrote:
> 
>         > >         I wonder if a magnet at the end of one of those wands 
> would reposition it?  Is there any danger that something will topple or get 
> misaligned? 
> > 
> >         On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 12:24 PM Rye Livingston < ryel@mac.com 
> > mailto:ryel@mac.com > wrote:
> > 
> >             > > >             You don't want to force anything, meaning 
> > don't try to tap it down into place.  
> > > 
> > >             As Bill said, the easiest is to pull the head.  Keep in mind 
> > > if you do that you need to use a new head gasket when re-installing the 
> > > head and go through proper torque procedures, all of which is easy to do, 
> > > just make sure you do it.
> > > 
> > >             As I was in your situation once, I'd take more time, and 
> > > maybe a lot more time, and take a flashlight and peak down the holes that 
> > > have the tappets in place so you know what it looks like, and then look 
> > > down the one you're dealing with, and with a long screwdriver try to coax 
> > > that tappet back into position.  If it's got plenty of oil on it, once 
> > > it's aligned it should sink down in place with little to no pushing from 
> > > you.
> > > 
> > >             Also, as someone else said, check to see if you have a local 
> > > Triumph Club.  If you do, join it, and I'm sure there would be some 
> > > members who would love to come over and help you out.  It's what we do!  
> > > :-)
> > > 
> > >             Good luck,
> > > 
> > >             Rye Livingston
> > >             Activities Chairman
> > >             Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
> > >             Celebrating our 60 Year Anniversary
> > >             1960 TR3A
> > >             PH: 530-FIND-RYE
> > > 
> > >             On Sep 29, 2018, at 12:50 PM, Paul Dorsey < 
> > > dorpaul1@gmail.com mailto:dorpaul1@gmail.com > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >                 > > > >                 I received my new pushrod from 
> > > Moss last night and was impressed, it looks the same length as stock, but 
> > > was slightly heavier by weight.  Others had forewarned that it might be 
> > > chinese, and it could still be, although I don't know what would ever 
> > > tell me if that were an issue.
> > > > 
> > > >                 Right now, my emphasis is on getting the thing running. 
> > > > something it hasn't done in years. I remember saying that I had seen 
> > > > one pushrod in particular had non-concentric circles appearing down the 
> > > > pushrod tubes  and I surmised that this must be what everyone informed 
> > > > me must be an out of spot tappet that I had been warned about. Trouble 
> > > > is: I forgot to write down which one of the eight pushrod tubes that I 
> > > > had seen it in.
> > > >                 I also might have worked that tappet over and in-line 
> > > > with the tube such that it now has the proper concentric circles.  On 
> > > > thing I do know for sure, is that one particular tappet causes it's 
> > > > pushrod to set a couple of inches higher ( as shown in the pic).  How 
> > > > do I get that tappet down? I slightly hit it's pushrod with my palm, 
> > > > but it would not drop down.  I do have an extra pushrod if others think 
> > > > I ought to tap it down using a pushrod,  Heck, I proably could use the 
> > > > old bent pushrod which I have now replaced, to tap it in place.  I just 
> > > > don't want to attempt this unless others give me a green light.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 Thanks, Paul Dorsey  aka RUSTY ACRES
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1@gmail.com 
> > > > mailto:dorpaul1@gmail.com >
> > > > 
> > > >                 1:32 PM (1 hour ago)
> > > > 
> > > >                         
> > > >                 to me
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                  
> > > > 
> > > >             > > > 
> > >         > > 
> >     > 

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ns-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Surfeit of caution on my part, probably,=
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e pushrod-to-tappet.&#160; That and I don&#39;t know if the hardened part o=
f the tappet is confined to the cam lob (flat) end.&#160; <br></p><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite">On October 1, 2018 at 1:06 PM Paul Dorsey &#60;dorpaul1@gm=
ail.com&#62; wrote: <br> <br><div dir=3D"ltr">What&#39;s special about bras=
s or bronze?&#160; I know their softer, but, seems like the coat hanger wou=
ld be sufficient to hold it down.</div><br><div class=3D"ox-a47114b4d2-gmai=
l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:01 PM Paul Dorsey &#60; =
<a href=3D"mailto:dorpaul1@gmail.com";>dorpaul1@gmail.com</a>&#62; wrote: <b=
r></div><blockquote><div dir=3D"ltr">I wonder if a magnet at the end of one=
 of those wands would reposition it?&#160; Is there any danger that somethi=
ng will topple or get misaligned?&#160;</div><br><div class=3D"ox-a47114b4d=
2-gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 12:24 PM Rye Livings=
ton &#60; <a href=3D"mailto:ryel@mac.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener=
">ryel@mac.com</a>&#62; wrote: <br></div><blockquote><div><div>You don&#39;=
t want to force anything, meaning&#160;don&#39;t try to tap it down into pl=
ace. &#160;</div><div><br></div><div>As Bill said, the easiest is to pull t=
he head.&#160; Keep in mind if you do that you need to use a new head gaske=
t when re-installing the head and go through proper torque procedures, all =
of which is easy to do, just make sure you do it.</div><div><br></div><div>=
As I was in your situation once, I&#39;d take more time, and maybe a lot mo=
re time, and take a flashlight and peak down the holes that have the tappet=
s in place so you know what it looks like, and then look down the one you&#=
39;re dealing with, and with a long screwdriver&#160;try to coax&#160;that =
tappet back into position.&#160; If it&#39;s got plenty of oil on it, once =
it&#39;s aligned it should sink down in place with little to no pushing fro=
m you.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, as someone else said, check to see if=
 you have a local Triumph Club.&#160; If you do, join it, and I&#39;m sure =
there would be some members who would love to come over and help you out.&#=
160; It&#39;s what we do! &#160;:-)</div><div><br></div><div>Good luck,</di=
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 by weight.&#160; Others had forewarned that it might be chinese, and it co=
uld still be, although I don&#39;t know what would ever tell me if that wer=
e an issue.<div><br></div><div>Right now, my emphasis is on getting the thi=
ng running. something it hasn&#39;t done in years. I remember saying that I=
 had seen one pushrod in particular had non-concentric circles appearing do=
wn the pushrod tubes&#160;&#160;and I surmised that this must be what every=
one informed me must be an out of spot tappet that I had been warned about.=
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