Just for the record when I was racing my TR-3 at Santa Barbara the field of
cars was over 300 and well past 25,000 spectators each day, lots of college
kids. Pomona not quite as many entries but well over 200 and spectators
over 20, 000 again. This was the middle and late 50's
, Now there are a lot more things to do so the spectators have drifted away
and the cars have worn out and proved to expensive to keep up so they have
diminished, but it was GRAND in its day like a lot of old stuff.
*Never be beaten by equipment.*
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Bill via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> Different strokes I guess. I don?t care what the other cars are as long as
> I?m having fun. A CRX ruined the aesthetic? How many people were watching
> the TR3?s run back in the day. I used to go to Thompson and Limerock to
> watch the sports car races. Me and thirty other people. Sepia toned
> nostalgia is safe because it doesn?t have to be real.
>
> I know plenty of snobs who just think anyone who isn?t doing what they do
> is wrong.
>
> On Mar 16, 2018, at 6:40 AM, Henry A. Morrison <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> Solipsistic?
>
> I would keep vintage racing if I were racing with TR's and MG's etc. I
> went to a race and finished between a X1/9 and a RX7 and said why am I
> working so hard to keep my Elva running? Can I race a Dodge Neon or other
> POS?
>
> At the Last VSCDA event there was one Honda CRX in the field. Were these
> ever raced? Wait I know they were but NO ONE cared to watch. The CRX
> ruined the aesthetic of the field. Please forward my message to the owner
> and tell him to get a real car.
>
> I grew up in the 80's the cars sucked, they still suck. 1000 years shall
> pass and they shall still suck. I know very few people who long for those
> cars and do not wish to associate with them. Old bad wine, is still bad
> wine.
>
> Remember a Snob is merely one who appreciates that which is, good.
>
> I do appreciate all Triumphs.
>
> Cheers, Henry Morrison
> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Bill <Bill at ponostyle.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 10:43 PM
> *To:* Paul Ricco
> *Cc:* Henry A. Morrison; Friends of Triumph
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] New Cars, New Parts
>
> I?m trying to figure out what Henry is disagreeing with, or what Paul is
> saying. If you?re leaving vintage racing, why would you care what the rules
> are or what cars the organizations permit? And if vintage racing is dying,
> then how is accepting 80?s cars selling out for the entry fee? If you
> started racing in 86, then the cars from 1950 (probably older than whatever
> you raced) were 36 years old. Cars from 1980 are 38 years old. Does vintage
> mean just those cars that were cool when you were a kid? That?s a bit too
> solipsistic for me.
>
> On Mar 15, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Henry,
>
> Well put. We have really enjoyed 30 years of vintage racing and club
> racing. However, I am seriously considering retiring from Vintage Racing
> after this season and going back to club racing. I loved the open spirit
> of CanAm in the day, but that is not what I got into vintage racing a
> vintage 60?s era sports car for.
>
> We may give our race TR4 a well deserved frame off restoration and it can
> be preserved as closely to the way it was raced during the late 60?s and
> 70?s as possible. It can enjoy some restful retirement time with some of
> the others that we really care for. We can focus our energy on prepping
> another race car for Midwest Council or SCCA Club Racing, and not have to
> deal with some of the dilemma?s that we are facing with car prep for
> vintage. Most club racing organizations have made it very simple. If the
> rule book does not say that you can make a specific modification, than you
> cannot make it. It makes things a lot simpler.
>
> Paul
>
> On Mar 15, 2018, at 5:32 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> I just can't disagree with this statement more.
> 1. Vintage racing is dying. There are way fewer cars and races than
> there were in 1986 when I started.
> 2. The newer cars and drivers scarcely know what a road course is.
> Car culture was different after '72 and especially now, just look at the
> current Fast and furious movies that sell the current car culture.
> 3. how many old TR gearboxes from my personal collection would you
> like to have delivered to your place tomorrow? Or buy some of the ones on
> ebay for $150, that seems to be the going rate.
> 4. Clubs that accept cars from the 80's are selling out for the entry
> fee, and in doing so driving me away in the process.
>
> Have a great racing season,
>
> Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM
>
> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> It is good to see that other clubs are allowing newer cars into their
> races. VARA has been doing this for several years so that we could
> survive, keep the club solvent and the cost of racing reasonable. The
> future of vintage racing is an expansion to cars from the 80?s and 90?s,
> they are long past their prime in other venues, cheap and they bring in new
> drivers. They are in fact ?vintage?, like our cars were in the 80? and
> 90?s. More important, these are the guys and gals that lusted for a
> certain hot car of the that era and now have older kids and the bucks to go
> racing. Without these folks our sport will pass along with us.
>
>
> The same is true of parts. Much of our equipment is worn out and not
> maintainable without great cost and effort any longer. Gear boxes are an
> example. I am down to my last good transmission case for my dog box. When
> that goes, or the gear set is toast, I am making the switch to a modern box
> (same ratios) that I can maintain. Like many of us I have missed races
> because of transmission failures. Tony runs a Ford 8? because he doesn?t
> want to get hurt, and it is bullet proof for racing, even has a weight
> penalty. A gear box switch is inevitable if we want to keep our cars on
> track at an expenditure of time and money that makes sense.
>
>
> There are tons of other parts that make engines last longer (and yes they
> make more power). An old TR motor is nothing but half a Chevy Small Block;
> those guys spent hundreds of millions developing motor parts that we can
> take advantage of. Same is true of blueprinting techniques, there are much
> better ways to build engines than ?back in the day? and if you read a book
> and learn how to do it the bloody lump lasts twice as long. Last time I
> had my motor out I could have put the coated bearings with 25 races on them
> back in. At 36 races I had <5% leak down on the rings and valves. Started
> out building the old school way, with old school parts, those days are over
> as I don?t have the time to spend five days in the shop for every day at
> the track.
>
>
> Oil. There is no such thing as cheap racing oil. Modern oil is the best
> it has ever been and makes the motor last. I had technical help from Lake
> Speed who is the ?man? for Joe Gibbs Driven race oil. The stuff is $18 a
> quart but will last 500+ miles in the car (4-6 race weekends). Just change
> the filter after every race and add on quart, total cost $30.00. I can run
> all the way down to 27 wt. (mixing) but just run the 30 wt. racing oil even
> at +100 degrees in the desert and the oil pressure is always spot on.
> Tight clearances, light oil and great bearing life, well worth the cost.
>
>
> My point in all of this is that ?vintage? racing is changing, both the
> cars and the people. We are going to have to accept and adapt or slowly
> see our sport fade. They will*always* be a special place for those cars
> with a 50 year race history, prepared exactly like it raced in 1965. For
> the rest of the grid, and those of us that don?t have cars with history,
> there are going to be cars with certain changes that get us to the track.
> Besides some of us are just SoCal Hot Rodders at heart with a touch of
> ?good ole boy? NACAR ingenuity. Now I need to get back to work on that 85%
> scale TR-4 body in aluminum, or possible carbon fiber???..Everyone have a
> great 2018 season racing!
>
>
> Ken
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