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To: tom628@verizon.net, italyfound@gmail.com, thenicholls@verizon.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Vibration at Speed
From: Dave <dave1massey@cs.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 07:41:10 -0500
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This is a very good point.  However, the original poster is using wire wheels 
which are hub-centric.  But finding someone who can center a wire wheel (or 
even work on one at all) can be problematic in its own right.
 

 

Dave Massey


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Note <tom628@verizon.net>
To: Italyfound <italyfound@gmail.com>; thenicholls <thenicholls@verizon.net>
Cc: *Triumphs List <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Nov 3, 2015 7:37 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Vibration at Speed


I have a similar vibration problem. I've read several times that the problem

is often that the TR wheels shold be balanced on a machine that has a

"lug-centric" adapter, rather than the hub-centric system that most balance

machines use. I haven't found a local place yet, but I haven't really been

looking either. I've heard that some of the higher end imports may require

lug-centric balancing.

But your point, Alex about hub run out is well
taken. Think I'll check that 
out.

Tom

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From: "Italyfound" <italyfound@gmail.com>
To: <thenicholls@verizon.net>
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Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 7:00
PM
Subject: Re: [TR] Vibration at Speed


> Been a while since I posted but
this caught my eye.
>
> I had the same problem with my 72 TR6. Took a while to
solve the problem 
> but I would bet money this is your problem too.
>
> My
problem was with the face of the hubs. Mine turned out not to be flat 
> but
had a noticeable runout. You can check yours by removing the tire and 
> wheel
and with a run out guage check the surface front to back and top to 
> bottom.
If you a that there is an issue have them surface ground at a 
> machine shop.
Simple process. Solved my problem immediately....
>
> What occurs when they
are bad is when you tighten down the lug nuts the 
> wheel is actually
distorted to match the face of the hub.
>
> Alex Manzo
> 72 TR6
> 59
TR3A
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From:
<thenicholls@verizon.net>
> To: <r_rochlin@hotmail.com>;
<triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 12:26 AM
>
Subject: Re: [TR] Vibration at Speed
>
>
>> Bob, I have a 72 TR6 myself, the
whole front end has been rebuilt, and 
>> the tires are all in
balance.
>>
>>
>> I have a vibration between 60 and 65, I just step on the
gas and go a 
>> little faster until it stops.
>>
>>
>> It has always been
that way so I am kind of used to it.
>>
>>
>> Good luck with
yours.
>>
>>
>> Craig
>> 72 TR6 Vienna, VA
>>
>>
>> On 11/02/15, Bob
Rochlin<r_rochlin@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>> Over the summer I
got a new set of Michelins for my TR6. The old tires 
>> were 15 years old and
were causing some shimmy vibration as well as being 
>> well past safe. This
was in connection with getting my wire wheels 
>> straightened and trued. The
wires guy, New England Wire Wheel, mounted 
>> and balanced the tires with a
Snap-on static balancer . When I got the 
>> wheels back on the car I went out
for a ride and felt a definite 
>> vibration between 65 and 75 MPH. I concluded
that the wheels needed to be 
>> rebalanced with a dynamic balancer. I found a
shop who could balance the 
>> tires correctly and had them rebalanced. The
tires were little better, 
>> but there was still a pronounced vibration in the
seat and body at 65 to 
>> 75 MPH. I brought the tires back to the tire shop
and they graciously 
>> first checked the tire balance and then rebalanced
them. They said that 
>> the balance was of about a 1/4 oz. , and that two of
the tires seemed to 
>> be a very slightly out of round. I mount those tire on
the rear, but aga
>> in the same problem.
>> I've moved the tires from front
to back thinking if the offending tires 
>> were on the front wheels the
vibration would be through the steering 
>> wheel and not the frame. No joy. My
thought is that there is something in 
>> the driveline causing the vibration,
perhaps the rear brake drums worn 
>> out of balance. The drive shaft was
balanced 5 to 6 years back. Over the 
>> years i've replaced all the universal
joints. As far as I can tell the 
>> rear drums are original to the car, as are
the half shafts.
>> Before I start pulling the driveline apart I thought I see
If anyone has 
>> had a similar problem of a suggestion of where to go next.
I'd appreciate 
>> the input.
>> Bob
>> 72'TR6
>>
>>
>
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size="4">This is a very good point.&nbsp; However, the original poster is using 
wire wheels which are hub-centric.&nbsp; But finding someone who can center a 
wire wheel (or even work on one at all) can be problematic in its own 
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original 
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From: Tom Note &lt;tom628@verizon.net&gt;<br>

To: Italyfound &lt;italyfound@gmail.com&gt;; thenicholls 
&lt;thenicholls@verizon.net&gt;<br>

Cc: *Triumphs List &lt;triumphs@autox.team.net&gt;<br>

Sent: Tue, Nov 3, 2015 7:37 pm<br>

Subject: Re: [TR] Vibration at Speed<br>

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<pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt>I have a similar vibration problem. I've read 
several times that the problem

is often that the TR wheels shold be balanced on a machine that has a

"lug-centric" adapter, rather than the hub-centric system that most balance

machines use. I haven't found a local place yet, but I haven't really been

looking either. I've heard that some of the higher end imports may require

lug-centric balancing.

But your point, Alex about hub run out is well
taken. Think I'll check that 
out.

Tom

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To: &lt;<a 
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Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 7:00
PM
Subject: Re: [TR] Vibration at Speed


&gt; Been a while since I posted but
this caught my eye.
&gt;
&gt; I had the same problem with my 72 TR6. Took a while to
solve the problem 
&gt; but I would bet money this is your problem too.
&gt;
&gt; My
problem was with the face of the hubs. Mine turned out not to be flat 
&gt; but
had a noticeable runout. You can check yours by removing the tire and 
&gt; wheel
and with a run out guage check the surface front to back and top to 
&gt; bottom.
If you a that there is an issue have them surface ground at a 
&gt; machine shop.
Simple process. Solved my problem immediately....
&gt;
&gt; What occurs when they
are bad is when you tighten down the lug nuts the 
&gt; wheel is actually
distorted to match the face of the hub.
&gt;
&gt; Alex Manzo
&gt; 72 TR6
&gt; 59
TR3A
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; ----- Original Message ----- 
&gt; From:
&lt;<a 
removedlink__1a91ee62-1730-4d0c-a2ee-0ef2edbe13a3__href="mailto:thenicholls@verizon.net";>thenicholls@verizon.net</a>&gt;
&gt; To: &lt;<a 
removedlink__1a91ee62-1730-4d0c-a2ee-0ef2edbe13a3__href="mailto:r_rochlin@hotmail.com";>r_rochlin@hotmail.com</a>&gt;;
&lt;<a 
removedlink__1a91ee62-1730-4d0c-a2ee-0ef2edbe13a3__href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
&gt; Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 12:26 AM
&gt;
Subject: Re: [TR] Vibration at Speed
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Bob, I have a 72 TR6 myself, the
whole front end has been rebuilt, and 
&gt;&gt; the tires are all in
balance.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I have a vibration between 60 and 65, I just step on the
gas and go a 
&gt;&gt; little faster until it stops.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; It has always been
that way so I am kind of used to it.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Good luck with
yours.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Craig
&gt;&gt; 72 TR6 Vienna, VA
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; On 11/02/15, Bob
Rochlin&lt;<a 
removedlink__1a91ee62-1730-4d0c-a2ee-0ef2edbe13a3__href="mailto:r_rochlin@hotmail.com";>r_rochlin@hotmail.com</a>&gt;
 wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Hi Everyone,
&gt;&gt; Over the summer I
got a new set of Michelins for my TR6. The old tires 
&gt;&gt; were 15 years old and
were causing some shimmy vibration as well as being 
&gt;&gt; well past safe. This
was in connection with getting my wire wheels 
&gt;&gt; straightened and trued. The
wires guy, New England Wire Wheel, mounted 
&gt;&gt; and balanced the tires with a
Snap-on static balancer . When I got the 
&gt;&gt; wheels back on the car I went out
for a ride and felt a definite 
&gt;&gt; vibration between 65 and 75 MPH. I concluded
that the wheels needed to be 
&gt;&gt; rebalanced with a dynamic balancer. I found a
shop who could balance the 
&gt;&gt; tires correctly and had them rebalanced. The
tires were little better, 
&gt;&gt; but there was still a pronounced vibration in the
seat and body at 65 to 
&gt;&gt; 75 MPH. I brought the tires back to the tire shop
and they graciously 
&gt;&gt; first checked the tire balance and then rebalanced
them. They said that 
&gt;&gt; the balance was of about a 1/4 oz. , and that two of
the tires seemed to 
&gt;&gt; be a very slightly out of round. I mount those tire on
the rear, but aga
&gt;&gt; in the same problem.
&gt;&gt; I've moved the tires from front
to back thinking if the offending tires 
&gt;&gt; were on the front wheels the
vibration would be through the steering 
&gt;&gt; wheel and not the frame. No joy. My
thought is that there is something in 
&gt;&gt; the driveline causing the vibration,
perhaps the rear brake drums worn 
&gt;&gt; out of balance. The drive shaft was
balanced 5 to 6 years back. Over the 
&gt;&gt; years i've replaced all the universal
joints. As far as I can tell the 
&gt;&gt; rear drums are original to the car, as are
the half shafts.
&gt;&gt; Before I start pulling the driveline apart I thought I see
If anyone has 
&gt;&gt; had a similar problem of a suggestion of where to go next.
I'd appreciate 
&gt;&gt; the input.
&gt;&gt; Bob
&gt;&gt; 72'TR6
&gt;&gt;
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