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> 1. Any suggestions ? (Andrew Uprichard)
> 2. Re: Any suggestions ? (Tony Drews)
> 3. Re: Any suggestions ? (Randall)
> 4. Re: Any suggestions ? (Andrew Uprichard)
> 5. Re: Any suggestions ? (Creig Houghtaling)
> 6. Re: Any suggestions ? (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
> 7. Re: Any suggestions ? (Andrew Uprichard)
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> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 22:45:02 -0400
> From: "Andrew Uprichard" <auprichard@uprichard.net>
> To: <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] Any suggestions ?
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> New TR3 rebuild with new clutch lines, master cylinder and slave.
> Silicone
> Dot-5 used throughout. Clutch still "pumps up"
>
>
>
> Have bled it time and again and no evidence of air in the lines.
>
>
>
> I have been told that some master cylinders are not "silicone-friendly"
> and
> lead to internal shunting of the fluid. Any truth to that? Keep bleeding
> the lines?
>
>
>
> Any suggestion would be great. Thanks!
>
> Andrew Uprichard
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> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 21:55:06 -0500
> From: Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>
> To: "Andrew Uprichard"
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> Subject: Re: [TR] Any suggestions ?
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> If the master cylinder adjustment is such that the piston in the
> master cylinder can't return to the bottom of the stroke, it won't
> relieve the pressure in the line. Also, some brake master cylinders
> have some sort of check valve deal that doesn't play well with the
> clutch circuit. This second scenario is unlikely, I'm banking on the
> first suggestion - adjust the rod between the pedal and the master
> cylinder (shorten it).
>
> Cheers, Tony Drews
>
> At 09:45 PM 10/31/2015, Andrew Uprichard wrote:
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>>New TR3 rebuild with new clutch lines, master cylinder and
>>slave. Silicone Dot-5 used throughout. Clutch still "pumps up"
>>
>>Have bled it time and again and no evidence of air in the lines.
>>
>>I have been told that some master cylinders are not
>>"silicone-friendly" and lead to internal shunting of the fluid. Any
>>truth to that? Keep bleeding the lines?
>>
>>Any suggestion would be great. Thanks!
>>
>>Andrew Uprichard
>>
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> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 22:21:05 -0700
> From: "Randall" <TR3driver@ca.rr.com>
> To: <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Any suggestions ?
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>> New TR3 rebuild with new clutch lines, master cylinder and
>> slave. Silicone Dot-5 used throughout. Clutch still "pumps up"
>
> Do you mean it holds pressure all the time, or just that the pedal gets
> higher?
>
> I'd try cracking the fitting loose at the MC outlet and see if that
> immediately changes the problem. If it does, then it is a MC
> problem and Tony is probably right about the pushrod being too long (or
> the stop being misadjusted). (Another thing to check for
> would be the pedal hanging up and not returning fully.)
>
> If it is just the pedal height changing, though, without holding pressure
> in the system; then the slave is not returning fully. The
> spring is weak or the slave is binding.
>
> When I installed a later TR6 gearbox, it moved the clutch slave rearward
> enough that the return spring was too long. I had to
> fabricate a tab to stretch the spring a bit farther to get the slave to
> return reliably under just spring force.
>
> -- Randall
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 07:05:55 -0500
> From: "Andrew Uprichard" <auprichard@uprichard.net>
> To: "'Randall'" <TR3driver@ca.rr.com>, <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Any suggestions ?
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> On the first pus, the slave pushrod doesn't move enough to fully
> disengage,
> but the second push is fine (rod moves probably a quarter-inch more).
>
> Bled the line at the master cylinder, but that didn't help. The master
> had
> been rebuilt, so I replaced it with a new one: the slave was new from the
> get-go.
>
> Andrew
>
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> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> Randall
> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 1:21 AM
> To: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Any suggestions ?
>
>> New TR3 rebuild with new clutch lines, master cylinder and slave.
>> Silicone Dot-5 used throughout. Clutch still "pumps up"
>
> Do you mean it holds pressure all the time, or just that the pedal gets
> higher?
>
> I'd try cracking the fitting loose at the MC outlet and see if that
> immediately changes the problem. If it does, then it is a MC problem and
> Tony is probably right about the pushrod being too long (or the stop being
> misadjusted). (Another thing to check for would be the pedal hanging up
> and
> not returning fully.)
>
> If it is just the pedal height changing, though, without holding pressure
> in
> the system; then the slave is not returning fully. The spring is weak or
> the slave is binding.
>
> When I installed a later TR6 gearbox, it moved the clutch slave rearward
> enough that the return spring was too long. I had to fabricate a tab to
> stretch the spring a bit farther to get the slave to return reliably under
> just spring force.
>
> -- Randall
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 06:27:58 -0600
> From: Creig Houghtaling <creig555@live.com>
> To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" <auprichard@uprichard.net>,
> <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Any suggestions ?
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> With my TR6, the bleed screw on the slave cylinder is not at the highest
> point in the slave cylinder when it is mounted. So I dismounted the
> cylinder and rotated the cylinder so that the bleed screw was at the
> highest
> point. Bled it. Then remounted the slave. Is that possibly an issue
> with
> the TR3?
>
> Creig Houghtaling
>
> St. Louis, MO
>
>
>
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> Andrew
> Uprichard
> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 9:45 PM
> To: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Any suggestions ?
>
>
>
> New TR3 rebuild with new clutch lines, master cylinder and slave.
> Silicone
> Dot-5 used throughout. Clutch still "pumps up"
>
>
>
> Have bled it time and again and no evidence of air in the lines.
>
>
>
> I have been told that some master cylinders are not "silicone-friendly"
> and
> lead to internal shunting of the fluid. Any truth to that? Keep bleeding
> the lines?
>
>
>
> Any suggestion would be great. Thanks!
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
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> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 07:30:20 -0700
> From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman@gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [TR] Any suggestions ?
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> On 11/1/15 5:05 AM, Andrew Uprichard wrote:
>> On the first pus, the slave pushrod doesn't move enough to fully
>> disengage,
>> but the second push is fine (rod moves probably a quarter-inch more).
>>
>> Bled the line at the master cylinder, but that didn't help. The master
>> had
>> been rebuilt, so I replaced it with a new one: the slave was new from
>> the
>> get-go.
>>
> Did you try Tony's suggestion? And you have a new flex line as well
> right? One thing I learned to do is to blow through a new rubber flex
> line before installing it. Once I bought one that had a fitting crimp
> that was so tight it completely closed off the inside of the hose. So
> it is conceivable that a crimp has almost closed off the hose. And some
> systems seem to really love retaining bubbles. For those a pressure
> bleed is the only way to get them all out.
>
> TeriAnn
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 09:59:29 -0500
> From: "Andrew Uprichard" <auprichard@uprichard.net>
> To: "'TeriAnn J. Wakeman'" <tjwakeman@gmail.com>,
> <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Any suggestions ?
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> TeriAnn: I am thinking it has to be air, so I will try what you suggest.
> Thanks!
>
> Andrew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> TeriAnn
> J. Wakeman
> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 9:30 AM
> To: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Any suggestions ?
>
>
>
> On 11/1/15 5:05 AM, Andrew Uprichard wrote:
>> On the first pus, the slave pushrod doesn't move enough to fully
>> disengage, but the second push is fine (rod moves probably a quarter-inch
> more).
>>
>> Bled the line at the master cylinder, but that didn't help. The
>> master had been rebuilt, so I replaced it with a new one: the slave
>> was new from the get-go.
>>
> Did you try Tony's suggestion? And you have a new flex line as well
> right?
> One thing I learned to do is to blow through a new rubber flex line before
> installing it. Once I bought one that had a fitting crimp that was so
> tight
> it completely closed off the inside of the hose. So it is conceivable
> that
> a crimp has almost closed off the hose. And some systems seem to really
> love retaining bubbles. For those a pressure bleed is the only way to get
> them all out.
>
> TeriAnn
>
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