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Re: [TR] what happened?

To: auprichard@uprichard.net, ryel@mac.com, triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] what happened?
From: ptegler@verizon.net
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:31:16 -0500 (CDT)
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<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 12px"><div>=
the o/d issue sounds like too tight a tollerance in the position of your ca=
se mounted interlock switch.<br />A little shift in rod position and the sw=
tich disconnects (not pushed in far enough) or.. it's simply loos connectio=
n and the harness being moved under load (engine lean) shifting connectors/=
contact <br /></div><div>&nbsp; <br /></div><span>Paul Tegler<br />ptegler@=
verizon.net<br />www.teglerizer.com</span><div>&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"bo=
rder-top:1px solid #bcbcbc;margin:5px 0px;"></div><span style=3D"font-size:=
12;font-family:arial;color:#000000;">On 10/15/15, <span>Andrew Uprichard&lt=
;auprichard@uprichard.net&gt;</span> wrote:</span><div>&nbsp;</div><div sty=
le=3D"font-size:12;font-family:arial;color:#000000;"><div class=3D"WordSect=
ion1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Just by the way =E2=80=93 I would=
n=E2=80=99t say &nbsp;=E2=80=9C;</span><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">#2 and 4 are perfect=E2=
=80=9D.&nbsp; They look kinda black to me.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans=
-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Andrew U=
prichard</span><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:=
solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-ser=
if&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Triumphs [<a class=3D"parsedLink" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">mailto:triu=
mphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rye Livingston<br /><b=
>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 14, 2015 6:02 PM<br /><b>To:</b> <a class=3D"=
parsedEmail" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">triu=
mphs@autox.team.net</a><br /><b>Subject:</b> [TR] what happened?</span></p>=
</div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Last=
 week was Triumphest in San Diego. &nbsp;I'd been rebuilding my 1960 TR3 in=
 preparation for this event with a pretty tight timeline. I got the engine =
in the car a week before and was out getting some break-in miles and it was=
 running very strong, but I discovered it was burning oil like it was going=
 out of style. &nbsp;Took out the plugs and 2, 3 and 4 were perfect - a dus=
ty white color, and #1 was so buggered up I don't know how it was firing. &=
nbsp;It was such&nbsp;a mess it was clear the oil ring didn't go on right. =
&nbsp;So on Saturday I pulled the pan and the head, pulled #1 piston out an=
d yep, the oil wrong was not right. The red and green ends to the oil ring =
and overlapped and&nbsp;only&nbsp;one color was showing. Nothing appeared t=
o be damaged, and in effect with it not fully expanded it wasn't making any=
 kind of a seal, thus why the oil was blowing&nbsp;by and&nbsp;burning up.<=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;">Before I reassembled it I put the&nbsp;piston&nbsp;in as an ex=
periment with OUT&nbsp;having&nbsp;the overlap right, to see how it felt lo=
ose, and I didn't even need&nbsp;the&nbsp;ring compression collar. So then =
I put the collar on and tapped the piston back&nbsp;into&nbsp;the sleeve, t=
hen pushed it back up so the compression rings came up, but not the oil rin=
g, and tested to check the fit. &nbsp;It was very snug, so it should be all=
 good. &nbsp;Put the collar back on and tapped it back down in place, attac=
hed the connecting rod to the crank, and then had to wait. &nbsp;This was S=
aturday and I needed a head&nbsp;gasket, which I ordered Monday with overni=
ght delivery and got it at 10am Tuesday. &nbsp;We were leaving for Triumphe=
st at 8AM Wednesday, 1000 mile round trip.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Tuesday I got it all =
back together, torqued the head, adjusted the valves and it seemed to be ru=
nning well. &nbsp;Went down to the British Motorsports garage and Dave was =
doing a final tune up on to the carbs and timing. &nbsp;He had it idling fo=
r about 20 mins while he was revving it up and tuning things, all good. &nb=
sp;Engine purring like a kitten. &nbsp;Being a new engine there was a littl=
e smoke as he revved it up but very little, and I asked him&nbsp;how&nbsp;l=
ong it would do that as the rings bed in. &nbsp;With that&nbsp;question he =
revved it 2-3 more times and on that 3rd time, all of a sudden TONs of whil=
e smoke come rolling out, like a cartoon, a smoke screen. &nbsp;What the? &=
nbsp;The mechanic was flabbergasted as to what could have all of a sudden h=
appened. &nbsp;Now it was running rough and spewing out white smoke. This w=
as at about 5:30 PM, and we were both at a total loss as to what could have=
 happened. &nbsp;I drove it home, about 15 miles, pulled the plugs and took=
 the photo which I've attached. &nbsp;The #1 plug is on the right in the ph=
oto, and as you'll see both 1 and 3 are a mess, while #2 and 4 are perfect.=
 &nbsp;Obviously something is not right. &nbsp;What I really don't understa=
nd is how #3 got bad too. &nbsp;I didn't touch #2, 3 and 4 and they were pr=
efect before? &nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetic=
a&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Anyway, there was no ugly noise. &nbsp;Noth=
ing broke. It can be sorted out. &nbsp;But can't go on a 1000 mile drive to=
 San Diego with it like that. &nbsp;So I left the next morning at 8AM in my=
 non-Triumph back up car and had a great time at Triumphest, but not in my =
TR3.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sa=
ns-serif&quot;">This weekend I'm planning to do a compression test and my&n=
bsp;brother&nbsp;has a leak down tester so I'll do that too before&nbsp;dis=
mantling&nbsp;again.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetic=
a&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Any thoughts on what may have happened? &nb=
sp;What I&nbsp;should&nbsp;look for?</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">And yes, some of you may ha=
ve seen my post over a week ago about the OD transmission I put in at the s=
ame time with the new engine. &nbsp;The one that seems to either downshift =
by itself under load in 3rd gear, or not shift into OD in 4th under load. &=
nbsp;That clearly become a non-issue with this&nbsp;engine&nbsp;problem, bu=
t something I plan to get addresses after the&nbsp;engine&nbsp;is squared a=
way and running properly.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp=
;</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Thanks for the help,</span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Rye</s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margi=
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