Re: [TR] A rose by any other name? (A bit of Standard Triumph history for them wots interested)

[Dave <dave1massey@cs.com>]

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=0A=20Ditto=20Don's=20remark.=20=20Indeed,=20there=20are=20many=20motoring=20ter=
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a=20(presumably=20steam=20powered)=20automobile.=20=20The=20french=20use=20aile=20=
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=0AI=20have=20a=20friend=20who=20makes=20a=20living=20doing=20Dutch/English=20tr=
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ground=20experience=20and=20contextual=20information.=0A=0AThanks=20again=20for=20=
the=20bit=20of=20history.=20=0A=0A=20=0A=0ADave=20Massey=0A=0A=0A=20=0A=0A=20=0A=
=0A-----Original=20Message-----=0AFrom:=20John=20Macartney=20<john.macartney@ukp=
ips.org.uk>=0ATo:=20'Don=20Hiscock'=20<don.hiscock@gmail.com>=0ACc:=20'Triumphs'=
=20<triumphs@autox.team.net>=0ASent:=20Fri,=20Jan=202,=202015=201:01=20pm=0ASubj=
ect:=20Re:=20[TR]=20A=20rose=20by=20any=20other=20name?=20(A=20bit=20of=20Standa=
rd=20Triumph=20history=20for=20them=20wots=20interested)=0A=0A=0AThanks,=20Don=20=
-=20and=20to=20anyone=20else=20who=20found=20my=20little=20dissertation=20of=20i=
nterest.=0A=0AJust=20returned=20from=20taking=20the=20dogs=20for=20a=20walk=20an=
d=20something=20triggered=20a=20doubt=20=0Aabout=20the=20correct=20terminologies=
.=20In=20fact,=20the=20company=20still=20hadn't=20got=20it=20right=20=0Awith=20t=
he=20French=20and=20I=20checked=20Dad's=20reports=20again.=20The=20term=20"Eclai=
rage"=20for=20=0Alighting=20wasn't=20a=20good=20translation=20either.=20Currentl=
y,=20the=20French=20use=20that=20word=20=0Afor=20lighting=20as=20one=20might=20f=
ind=20in=20a=20home=20and=20it=20certainly=20means=20'lightning'=20in=20=0Aits=20=
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face=20should=20have=20been=20'Lanternes'.=20=20=0AThere=20are=20still=20many=20=
places=20in=20the=20French=20speaking=20parts=20of=20Europe=20where=20at=20the=20=
=0Aentrance=20to=20a=20road=20tunnel=20you'll=20see=20the=20warning=20sign=20"Al=
lumez=20vos=20lanternes".=20=0AAllumer=20is=20the=20verb=20to=20ignite=20and=20a=
llumage=20is=20ignition=20in=20an=20automotive=20sense.=20=0ATherefore=20"ignite=
=20your=20lanterns"=20for=20a=20car=20with=20Lucas=20electrics=20would=20be=20a=20=
=0Aprecisely=20apt=20term,=20assuming=20of=20course=20you=20happen=20to=20have=20=
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ge-----=0AFrom:=20Don=20Hiscock=20[mailto:don.hiscock@gmail.com]=20=0ASent:=2002=
=20January=202015=2014:54=0ATo:=20John=20Macartney=0ACc:=20Triumphs=0ASubject:=20=
Re:=20[TR]=20A=20rose=20by=20any=20other=20name?=20(A=20bit=20of=20Standard=20Tr=
iumph=20history=20=0Afor=20them=20wots=20interested)=0A=0AJohn,=20your=20recolle=
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<font=20color=3D'black'=20size=3D'4'=20face=3D'Arial,=20Helvetica,=20sans-serif'=
>=0A=0A<div>=20<font=20size=3D"4">Ditto=20Don's=20remark.&nbsp;=20Indeed,=20ther=
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<div=20style=3D"clear:both"><font=20size=3D"4">Dave=20Massey</font><br>=0A=0A<br=
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/div>=0A=0A=0A=0A<div=20style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;colo=
r:black">-----Original=20Message-----<br>=0A=0AFrom:=20John=20Macartney=20&lt;jo=
hn.macartney@ukpips.org.uk&gt;<br>=0A=0ATo:=20'Don=20Hiscock'=20&lt;don.hiscock@=
gmail.com&gt;<br>=0A=0ACc:=20'Triumphs'=20&lt;triumphs@autox.team.net&gt;<br>=0A=
=0ASent:=20Fri,=20Jan=202,=202015=201:01=20pm<br>=0A=0ASubject:=20Re:=20[TR]=20A=
=20rose=20by=20any=20other=20name?=20(A=20bit=20of=20Standard=20Triumph=20histor=
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nks,=20Don=20-=20and=20to=20anyone=20else=20who=20found=20my=20little=20disserta=
tion=20of=20interest.=0A=0AJust=20returned=20from=20taking=20the=20dogs=20for=20=
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terminologies.=20In=20fact,=20the=20company=20still=20hadn't=20got=20it=20right=20=
=0Awith=20the=20French=20and=20I=20checked=20Dad's=20reports=20again.=20The=20te=
rm=20"Eclairage"=20for=20=0Alighting=20wasn't=20a=20good=20translation=20either.=
=20Currently,=20the=20French=20use=20that=20word=20=0Afor=20lighting=20as=20one=20=
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=20"Allumez=20vos=20lanternes".=20=0AAllumer=20is=20the=20verb=20to=20ignite=20a=
nd=20allumage=20is=20ignition=20in=20an=20automotive=20sense.=20=0ATherefore=20"=
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Message-----=0AFrom:=20Don=20Hiscock=20[<a=20href=3D"mailto:don.hiscock@gmail.co=
m?">mailto:don.hiscock@gmail.com</a>]=20=0ASent:=2002=20January=202015=2014:54=0A=
To:=20John=20Macartney=0ACc:=20Triumphs=0ASubject:=20Re:=20[TR]=20A=20rose=20by=20=
any=20other=20name?=20(A=20bit=20of=20Standard=20Triumph=20history=20=0Afor=20th=
em=20wots=20interested)=0A=0AJohn,=20your=20recollections=20are=20always=20a=20d=
elight.=20=20Keep=20'em=20coming!=0A=0ADon=0A=0A<a=20href=3D"http://autox.team.n=
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