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Re: [TR] 6 won't run below 1500 rpm revisited...

To: drew@graybealdesign.com, triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] 6 won't run below 1500 rpm revisited...
From: Dave1massey@cs.com
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:31:35 -0500 (EST)
In a message dated 11/26/2011 6:54:31 PM Central Standard Time, 
drew@graybealdesign.com writes: 
> What seems to make the difference
> now is removing the vacuum retard hose and plugging it. I don't have a 
> timing
> light so I can't be sure it's just timing and not a vacuum leak in the
> distributor, but hose on...it runs bad...hose off...it runs good. Do I 
> need a
> new distributor? Can I fix the old one? Is this really the problem?

If connecting the vacuum retard line makes the idle increase and removing 
it causes it to drop then I suspect you are actually connecting it to the 
vacuum advance module (if you car is so equipped).  It's easy to get confused 
and the best way to determine which is which is trial and error.

As I recall the 71 models still had the advance module but it was ledt 
unused.  I reconnected mine as it tends to imprrove fuel economy (marginally).  
But you need the vacuum advance port on the carburettor which was not 
present on the 71 model carbs.  But 74 and later carbs did have that port and 
it 
was used for the EGR valve.

The vacuum retard system acts to stabilize the idle speed.  As the idle 
speed picks up the vacuum will increase.  This will retard the timing reducing 
the idle speed.  As the speed reduces the vacuum will decrease advancing the 
timing to increase idle speed.  Pretty clever.  But this was important for 
cars required to meet emissions.  Since these cars were tuned quite lean at 
idle maintaining a constant idle speed over varying temperatures was 
problematic and meeting emissions over a wide idle speed band was difficult.  
Since 
the retard module is feed from a special port on the carb that provided 
vacuum only when the throttle was closed it had no effect on normal driving.

Dave


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