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Re: [TR] Skirted thermostats

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Subject: Re: [TR] Skirted thermostats
From: Hdefer <tr3@roadrunner.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 16:20:40 -0800
{Sending this the 2nd time. Not sure it got through the 1st time}

> However, note that TeriAnn was talking about having the bypass fully
> blocked.
>


Randall, is the skirt not some sort of  tubular shroud  that moves in
and out as the therm. opens across that slotted  by-pass hole? In
that case it would have to be a very loose fit, (probably non
contact) to prevent potential sticking of the thermostat, thus being
quite incapable of fully blocking the bypass.
Besides, I doubt that the thermostat works in a snap on-off fashion
and that there is a range were it actually regulates an varies the
flow distribution.


> And I will repeat my original point, which is that if you are having
> problems with the engine not coming up to temperature;
>
  I know I didn't put this very well in my original post, but this is
the scenario:

a)       Thermostat pan tested twice to start opening at approx. 175: and
fully open at 185:.
b)       By-pass blocked about  65-70%
c)      My gage is calibrated and accurate within about +/- 5 : at the
185: dot and at the 1/2 way dot at about 150 - 160:
d)      On a cold morning once, of about 40:,  it took at least 10 miles
before my gage came up to 1/2 way  dot and never made it to 185:
unless i was stopped at a light for a while. Seems to me, that is too
cold for an engine to run. Letting it sit and idle for a while, as
expected, the needle would come up to little below the 185: mark and
stay there.

I recently drove it when the outside temp was 50: -  60: with the
bypass completely open; the temp. came up to 180:  within 2 miles and
stayed there very nicely, but what if the temp. is over 100: again?!



> However, the factory used a partially restricted bypass and no
> skirt on
> later TRactor motors, with apparently good success.
>


I can see that this might work for tractors that are not likely to go
much over 15m/hr.


On Nov 26, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Randall wrote:


>> Thanks, TeriAnn, for that important web page. It proves and
>> raises my concern.
>>
>
> However, note that TeriAnn was talking about having the bypass fully
> blocked.  I agree entirely in that case (although my personal
> experience has
> been that the results are not nearly as violent as she suggests,
> and I never
> cracked a head driving that way).
>
> However, the factory used a partially restricted bypass and no
> skirt on
> later TRactor motors, with apparently good success.
>
> And I will repeat my original point, which is that if you are having
> problems with the engine not coming up to temperature; then neither
> unblocking the bypass nor adding a skirt to the thermostat is going
> to help.
>
> The thermostat should be opening within just a few miles of
> driving, even in
> freezing weather.  Back when I drove a TR to work in the snow, the
> radiator
> would be warm (indicating the thermostat was open) by the time I
> got home
> from work.
>
> -- Randall


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