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Re: TR3 Breather Pipe v TR4 Plug

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Subject: Re: TR3 Breather Pipe v TR4 Plug
From: AMfoto1@aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 01:14:17 EDT
Hi Geo, 

Well, the early-TR4/TR3 type of open air crankcase breather tube works fine, 
so long as you don't object to "British undercoating". 

I don't want to pop your balloon, but thanks to that vent the EPA put me on 
their 10 Most Wanted list and absolutely everything under my TR4, bellhousing 
on back, was heavily coated with a mixture of oil and road dust, forming a 1/4" 
or more thick "protective" coating. When I removed the gearbox and rear axle 
and cleaned off the thick layer of grime, they are pristine underneath! Even 
the black oxide bolts on the gearbox look like brand new, without a single spot 
of rust. The underside of the car looks as if it was been undercoated 
thickly, but it never was. I can't say that the large breather tube, which has 
a sort 
of baffle in it, actually helped prevent oozing oil from various other places 
on the motor. Hopefully I'll cure a number of those other leaks during the 
upcoming rebuild. 

I've replaced that original breather tube with a TR4A plug (like yours) 
that's been modified with a 1/2" pipe, which will in turn have a hose attached 
leading to a catch tank/breather. A similar hose will provide ventilation for 
the 
cast alloy valve cover. There won't be a PCV valve or anything like that. Just 
an open breathing circuit with a small filter on the catch tank, serving both 
the valve cover and the crankcase. 

The easiest way to remove one of those plugs is to drive a sharp flat bladed 
screwdriver into it and lever it out. 

It's your call. I can assure you there will be a lot more oil on everything 
under the car rearward of the firewall, if you choose to put in the early style 
crankcase vent.

Alan Myers
San Jose, Calif.
'62 TR4 CT17602L
Wisely or not I have it in my head to install a TR3 breather pipe on my 
late TR4 engine.  Have any of you managed to remove the metal plug from 
that hole on the side of the block below & behind the fuel pump?  Item 
#49  in this illustration:

http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29116

Failing that can someone who has removed or replaced one of these with 
the engine out of the car suggest what I am up against trying to remove 
it?  Access isn't bad but also isn't straight-on which is what would be 
ideal.

Oh, my reason for doing this is that that skinny little crankcase 
ventilation tube to the air cleaners seems an inadequate replacement for 
the ventilation provided on the earlier engines as evidenced by oil 
oozing out around the filler cap, air cleaner connections and other 
places.  Have tried a variety of gaskets and adjustment to the filler 
cap but still get a messy leak.

Thanks for any advice.

Geo Hahn




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