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Re: "not sporty at all" ??? was TR4 Made by Honda?

To: GuyotLeonF@aol.com
Subject: Re: "not sporty at all" ??? was TR4 Made by Honda?
From: Joseph J Burlein <tr6guy@juno.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:42:29 -0400
Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, peterz@merak.com
How the heck are you getting 175bhp?!!!!!!

Joe Burlein
72 TR-6
Melbourne, FL

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:36:12 EDT GuyotLeonF@aol.com writes:
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>On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 
>Peter Zaborski <peterz@merak.com>
>Wrote Subject: RE: TR4 Made By Honda?
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>Most Triumphs sold in
>the world were not sporty at all but rather sedans (Heralds and 
>Vitesses
>come to mind, the 2xxx series saloons, and even a joint project with 
>Honda
>called the Acclaim).
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>Mr.Z'
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>I resemble that remark. 
>When did you last drive a Vitesse then ?
>
>My Herald Convertible certainly was 'Sporting' if not an outright 
>Sports Car 
>per se...
>(especially when I tuned it with period tuning items = 100 bhp and 110 
>mph!)
>
>And as for your saying that my Vitesse Convertible is not sporty at 
>all ???
>Do you realise what you are saying ???
>
>1998cc 6-cylinder Vitesse Mk.2
>power developed 104 bhp at 5,300 rpm
>max torque 1,400 lb,in at 3,000 rpm
>Weight (dry) 17.25 cwt.
>
>Top speed 103mph
>
>Acceleration:
>Top Gear  
>30-50 mph in 7.5 secs
>40-60 mph in 8.0 secs
>50-70 mph in 8.5 secs
>60-80 mph in 10.0 secs
>Thro' gears 
>0-50 mph in 8.0 secs
>0-60 mph in 11.0 secs
>0-70 mph in 14.5 secs
>0-80 mph in 20.0 secs
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>(Those of course are for the factory settings, as my own Vitesse now 
>develops 
>approx 175 bhp,and I drive it in as thoroughly a 'sports' style as the 
>law 
>allows!!!)   
>
>If I may quote from The Motor Oct 19, 1968
>
>"It is now a genuine 100+ mph saloon with acceleration better than 
>many 
>sports cars."
>The new rear suspension, almost identical with that now used on the 
>GT6+ make 
>it an extremely controllable car with much higher safe cornering 
>speeds than 
>before and no drama if they are exceeded.
>It also travels in a straight line at high speeds on bumpy roads and, 
>because 
>the whole car is relatively light, it can be thrown about with a good 
>deal of 
>abandon and very little effort by a driver who feels so inclined, I 
>fact on a 
>winding alpine road it doesn't appear to be a great deal slower from 
>point to 
>point than the new GT6+
>
>With good reason, was the Vitesse 2 Litre (Mk.1) advertised as 
>"The two seater beater".
>
>Even my friend, Ian Evans, Chairman of the TR Register told me how 
>impressed 
>he was with the power and agility of my Vitesse.
>
>I think what you were trying to say, was that in your opinion, the 
>Triumph 
>Sedans and Sedan based cars are not sports cars, or sporty cars, and 
>that the 
>others such as the TR range, the GT6 and the Spitfires are sports 
>cars.
>You appear to base this observation simply on their low-slung, curvy 
>body 
>styles c/w the sedans somewhat more 'boxy' appearance. 
>Your perspective is in my opinion, somewhat narrow and blinkered, and 
>you are 
>doing a grave injustice to the original designers, and everyone 
>involved with 
>the cars, from those that assembled them, through those people who so 
>
>successfully raced and rallied the sedans, right up to the present day 
>owners 
>and enthusiasts who treasure, restore, maintain, modify, and actually 
>get out 
>there and drive these wonderful cars, be they sedans, sedan based 
>convertibles, or TR's and GT6's and Spitfires.
>It matters not one jot!
>
>"not sporty at all"
>  
>Darn cheek!!!
>
>Léon
>(only slightly offended)
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