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The cursed Hayes device vapor recovery worked best on the bent neck of the=
64 Falcon with a extension hose dropped in the tank the bellows pulled bac=
k and a lower discharge level.=C2=A0 The same hose works wonders with the s=
ame slower fill rate and the when it's full you can have back splash.=C2=A0=
Travis C. made a neck adapter the helped as it had a hole to allow the bac=
k air=C2=A0 pressure to escape. But the faster you go the more you vaporize=
the fuel . Fast filling=C2=A0 is kinda like paying twice these days.=C2=A0=
Today's fuel discolors paint so if you leave no expansion room in the tank=
park in the sun beware as fuel pushes easily past the cork or any combinat=
ion of added gaskets.=C2=A0 As others have commented always had the problem=
with motorcycle tanks even have it with my 89 NX Honda.=C2=A0
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 16:09:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad@comcast.net>
To: Joel Martin <jmartiniii@yahoo.com>, Joel Martin via Tigers
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <tigers@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank vent hose
Joel,
I think I have a vague recollection that there were some fill elbows(?) (be=
tween gas cap and
right side tank) that had an obstruction in the molded on fitting for the v=
ent hose (to the left
tank).=C2=A0 The hose and tanks and everything could be good and you would =
still have a problem
if that fitting was obstructed, first place I would check.
Gary
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wrote:
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> Thank you all for the responses.=C2=A0 The rubber is about 5 years old an=
d with no fumes in car or trunk, it should be good.=C2=A0 I will check rout=
ing of gas tank vent hose for any kinks and obstructions. As we live in NC,=
we have no vapor recovery sleeve gas nozzles. The nozzle key, I believe wo=
uld not do anything to help.=C2=A0 If no kinks or obstructions, from others=
having the same issue, I will have to check my impatience at the door.
>=C2=A0=20
> Joel
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> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 02:08:02 AM EDT, tigers-request@autox.=
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>=C2=A0 1. Re: Gas tank vent hose (Mark Rense)
>=C2=A0 2. Re: Gas tank vent hose (Will Seay)
>=C2=A0 3. Re: Gas tank vent hose (twotigers@verizon.net)
> This issue has plagued us motorcyclists for years. There is a simple nozz=
le key tool designed to hold the nozzle bellows back.=20
>=C2=A0=20
> Bugz
>=C2=A0=20
> https://www.aerostich.com/aluminum-gas-pump-nozzle-key.html
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> On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 4:16 PM Jim B via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net m=
ailto:tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
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> > Like Gary, I?m in CA and I hold back the vapor recovery sleeve. I angle=
the nozzle down into the filler pipe and that helps. Still a PITA though. =
Never tried the upside down method.
> >=20
> I'm in VA and we don't have this problem.=C2=A0 It seems to me that this =
issue came up some time ago and that someone recommended a collar/funnel de=
vice that you put into the filler.=C2=A0 As I recall, the device was made t=
o be used for motorcycles.=C2=A0 If you have any biker friends maybe you co=
uld get a line on it.
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> Will - 382001570
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> On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 5:30?PM M Lafayette via Tigers <tigers@autox.team=
.net mailto:tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
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> > Seems like a few years back someone was advertising a device to put int=
o the tank opening that supposedly solved this problem.
> >=20
> > In a message dated 9/20/2023 4:07:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tigers@a=
utox.team.net mailto:tigers@autox.team.net writes:
> >=C2=A0=20
> >=20
> > > Like Gary, I?m in CA and I hold back the vapor recovery sleeve. I ang=
le the nozzle down into the filler pipe and that helps. Still a PITA though=
. Never tried the upside down method.
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > > On Sep 20, 2023, at 8:07 AM, GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad@comcast.net =
mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > >=20
> > > >=C2=A0=20
> > > >=20
> > > You must not be in CA (or other state with the vapor recovery gas pum=
ps).
> > > All 13 gallons take forever for me, so I never try to go more than 9 =
or so.
> > > Old cars don't have the on-board carbon canister system that is neede=
d for the new pumps.
> > > So there is nothing you can do.
> > > When the nozzle is fully inserted and gas pumped in the pressure rise=
s and the pump shuts
> > > off, always spilling gas down the side and onto the ground.=20
> > > I have to hold the nozzle crooked so the bellows doesn't fully seat a=
nd just barely open the
> > > trigger, takes forever.
> > > Some guys hold the nozzle upside down (vertical) and it works better.=
=C2=A0 I just tried this again
> > > and it did seem to work better than years ago when I last tried it.
> > > Gary
> > >=C2=A0=20
> > >=C2=A0=20
> > >=20
> > > > On 09/19/2023 2:16 PM PDT Greg Oliver <gregdawg89@hotmail.com mailt=
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> > > >=C2=A0=20
> > > > It does that with my Tiger too. ?
> > > >=C2=A0=20
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> > > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > > From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net mailto:tigers-bounces@a=
utox.team.net> on behalf of Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net m=
ailto:tigers@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 1:53 PM
> > > > To: Tiger List Serve <tigers@autox.team.net mailto:tigers@autox.tea=
m.net>
> > > > Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank vent hose
> > > >=C2=A0=20
> > > > I have a ongoing issue, more of testing my patience, in that it tak=
es me at least 5 minutes to completely fill my gas tanks.=C2=A0 It takes th=
e first 8-9 gallons just fine but the last 3-4 takes forever.=C2=A0 I must =
squeak in .1-.2 gallons at a time, meaning I must wait 10-15 seconds for th=
e gas to settle in the tanks before adding more.
> > > >=C2=A0=20
> > > > The gas tank vent hose is in the correct location, I believe.=C2=A0=
No gas fumes in trunk.=C2=A0 Gas tank sending unit and gauge are pretty ac=
curate.=C2=A0 When my patience holds and I get the tanks full, gauge shows =
11.75 to 12 gallons on the gauge.
> > > >=C2=A0=20
> > > > Any ideas or suggestions as to why this might be happening and pote=
ntial fix would be appreciated.
> > > >=C2=A0=20
> > > > Regards
> > > >=C2=A0=20
> > > > Joel Martin
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> I had the same trouble as everybody else, and the only relief I could get=
was to break the recovery seal, also. This went on for decades. One day I =
smelled some gas fumes in the car. After eliminating the carb as the source=
I started looking behind the trunk panels. I found a crack in the vent tub=
e and another crack in the filler neck. Fixed both of those. Went to gas up=
, stuck the nozzle in, put the automatic trip on, and was shocked that the =
tanks filled completely. This was about a year ago. Every fill up since, ev=
en at different gas stations, has had the same result. Goes totally against=
logic and critical thinking, because previously the only way to get gas in=
was to break the seal. Now, with no way for air to enter the system, it fi=
lls up completely without any fuss. Go figure!
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> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 2:31 PM
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> Seems like a few years back someone was advertising a device to put into =
the tank opening that supposedly solved this problem.
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ox.team.net mailto:tigers@autox.team.net writes:
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> >=20
> > Like Gary, I?m in CA and I hold back the vapor recovery sleeve. I angle=
the nozzle down into the filler pipe and that helps. Still a PITA though. =
Never tried the upside down method.
> >=20
> >=C2=A0=20
> >=20
> > >=20
> > > On Sep 20, 2023, at 8:07 AM, GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad@comcast.net ma=
ilto:garywinblad@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >=20
> > >=C2=A0=20
> > >=20
> > >=C2=A0=20
> > >=20
> >=20
> > You must not be in CA (or other state with the vapor recovery gas pumps=
).
> >=20
> > All 13 gallons take forever for me, so I never try to go more than 9 or=
so.
> >=20
> > Old cars don't have the on-board carbon canister system that is needed =
for the new pumps.
> >=20
> > So there is nothing you can do.
> >=20
> > When the nozzle is fully inserted and gas pumped in the pressure rises =
and the pump shuts
> >=20
> > off, always spilling gas down the side and onto the ground.=20
> >=20
> > I have to hold the nozzle crooked so the bellows doesn't fully seat and=
just barely open the
> >=20
> > trigger, takes forever.
> >=20
> > Some guys hold the nozzle upside down (vertical) and it works better.=
=C2=A0 I just tried this again
> >=20
> > and it did seem to work better than years ago when I last tried it.
> >=20
> > Gary
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> >=20
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> > >=20
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> > > It does that with my Tiger too. ?
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> > >=20
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> > > ---------------------------------------------
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> > > From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net mailto:tigers-bounces@aut=
ox.team.net> on behalf of Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net mai=
lto:tigers@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 1:53 PM
> > > To: Tiger List Serve <tigers@autox.team.net mailto:tigers@autox.team.=
net>
> > > Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank vent hose
> > >=20
> > >=C2=A0=20
> > >=20
> > > I have a ongoing issue, more of testing my patience, in that it takes=
me at least 5 minutes to completely fill my gas tanks.=C2=A0 It takes the =
first 8-9 gallons just fine but the last 3-4 takes forever.=C2=A0 I must sq=
ueak in .1-.2 gallons at a time, meaning I must wait 10-15 seconds for the =
gas to settle in the tanks before adding more.
> > >=20
> > >=C2=A0=20
> > >=20
> > > The gas tank vent hose is in the correct location, I believe.=C2=A0 N=
o gas fumes in trunk.=C2=A0 Gas tank sending unit and gauge are pretty accu=
rate.=C2=A0 When my patience holds and I get the tanks full, gauge shows 11=
.75 to 12 gallons on the gauge.
> > >=20
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> > >=20
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<div>The cursed Hayes device vapor recovery worked best on the bent=
neck of the 64 Falcon with a extension hose dropped in the tank the bellow=
s pulled back and a lower discharge level. The same hose works wonder=
s with the same slower fill rate and the when it's full you can have back s=
plash. Travis C. made a neck adapter the helped as it had a hole to a=
llow the back air pressure to escape. But the faster you go the more =
you vaporize the fuel . Fast filling is kinda like paying twice these=
days. Today's fuel discolors paint so if you leave no expansion room=
in the tank park in the sun beware as fuel pushes easily past the cork or =
any combination of added gaskets. As others have commented always had=
the problem with motorcycle tanks even have it with my 89 NX Honda. <=
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iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message: 1<br></div><div dir=
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rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">jmartiniii@yahoo.com</a>>, Joel Marti=
n via Tigers<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:tigers@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox=
.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank =
vent hose<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message-ID: <<a href=3D"mailto:33571=
7388.762520.1695326979205@connect.xfinity.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_=
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dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Joel,<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I th=
ink I have a vague recollection that there were some fill elbows(?) (betwee=
n gas cap and<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">right side tank) that had an obstru=
ction in the molded on fitting for the vent hose (to the left<br></div><div=
dir=3D"ltr">tank). The hose and tanks and everything could be good a=
nd you would still have a problem<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">if that fitting=
was obstructed, first place I would check.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Gary<=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">> On 09/21/2023 9:27 AM PDT Joel Martin via Tigers <<a href=3D"=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">> Thank you all for the responses. The rubber is=
about 5 years old and with no fumes in car or trunk, it should be good.&nb=
sp; I will check routing of gas tank vent hose for any kinks and obstructio=
ns. As we live in NC, we have no vapor recovery sleeve gas nozzles. The noz=
zle key, I believe would not do anything to help. If no kinks or obst=
ructions, from others having the same issue, I will have to check my impati=
ence at the door.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> <br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">> Joel<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> <br></div><div dir=
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; 1. Re: Gas tank vent hose (Mark Rense)<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&=
gt; 2. Re: Gas tank vent hose (Will Seay)<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
> 3. Re: Gas tank vent hose (twotigers@verizon.net)<br></div><div=
dir=3D"ltr">> This issue has plagued us motorcyclists for years. There =
is a simple nozzle key tool designed to hold the nozzle bellows back. <br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr">> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> Bugz<br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> <a href=3D"=
https://www.aerostich.com/aluminum-gas-pump-nozzle-key.html"; rel=3D"nofollo=
w" target=3D"_blank">https://www.aerostich.com/aluminum-gas-pump-nozzle-key=
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Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 4:16 PM Jim B via Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers=
@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</=
a> mailto:tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> <=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > Like Gary, I?m in CA and I hold back th=
e vapor recovery sleeve. I angle the nozzle down into the filler pipe and t=
hat helps. Still a PITA though. Never tried the upside down method.<br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">> > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> I'm in VA and =
we don't have this problem. It seems to me that this issue came up so=
me time ago and that someone recommended a collar/funnel device that you pu=
t into the filler. As I recall, the device was made to be used for mo=
torcycles. If you have any biker friends maybe you could get a line o=
n it.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> =
Will - 382001570<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> <a href=3D"mailto:Tigers@em=
barqmail.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">Tigers@embarqmail.com</a> =
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dir=3D"ltr">> On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 5:30?PM M Lafayette via Tigers <=
;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank=
">tigers@autox.team.net</a> mailto:tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:<br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > Seems like a f=
ew years back someone was advertising a device to put into the tank opening=
that supposedly solved this problem.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > <=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > In a message dated 9/20/2023 4:07:50 PM=
Eastern Daylight Time, <a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nof=
ollow" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a> mailto:tigers@autox.team=
.net writes:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > <br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">> > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > Like Gary, I?m=
in CA and I hold back the vapor recovery sleeve. I angle the nozzle down i=
nto the filler pipe and that helps. Still a PITA though. Never tried the up=
side down method.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > > On=
Sep 20, 2023, at 8:07 AM, GARY WINBLAD <<a href=3D"mailto:garywinblad@c=
omcast.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">garywinblad@comcast.net</a> =
mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net> wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> &g=
t; > > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > > <br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > =
> You must not be in CA (or other state with the vapor recovery gas pump=
s).<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > All 13 gallons take forever fo=
r me, so I never try to go more than 9 or so.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>=
; > > Old cars don't have the on-board carbon canister system that is=
needed for the new pumps.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > So ther=
e is nothing you can do.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > When the =
nozzle is fully inserted and gas pumped in the pressure rises and the pump =
shuts<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > off, always spilling gas dow=
n the side and onto the ground. <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > I=
have to hold the nozzle crooked so the bellows doesn't fully seat and just=
barely open the<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > trigger, takes fo=
rever.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > Some guys hold the nozzle u=
pside down (vertical) and it works better. I just tried this again<br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > and it did seem to work better than =
years ago when I last tried it.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > Ga=
ry<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">> > > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">> > > > On 09/19/2023 2:16 PM PDT Greg Oliver =
<<a href=3D"mailto:gregdawg89@hotmail.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_b=
lank">gregdawg89@hotmail.com</a> mailto:gregdawg89@hotmail.com> wrote:<b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > > <br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">> > > > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > >=
It does that with my Tiger too. ?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > >=
> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > > <br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">> > > > --------------------------------------------=
-<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > > From: Tigers <<a href=3D=
"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">t=
igers-bounces@autox.team.net</a> mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> o=
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utox.team.net><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > > Subject: [T=
igers] Gas tank vent hose<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > >&nbs=
p; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > > I have a ongoing issue, m=
ore of testing my patience, in that it takes me at least 5 minutes to compl=
etely fill my gas tanks. It takes the first 8-9 gallons just fine but=
the last 3-4 takes forever. I must squeak in .1-.2 gallons at a time=
, meaning I must wait 10-15 seconds for the gas to settle in the tanks befo=
re adding more.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > > <br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > > The gas tank vent hose is in the co=
rrect location, I believe. No gas fumes in trunk. Gas tank send=
ing unit and gauge are pretty accurate. When my patience holds and I =
get the tanks full, gauge shows 11.75 to 12 gallons on the gauge.<br></div>=
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> > > Any ideas or suggestions as to why this might be happening a=
nd potential fix would be appreciated.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > =
> > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > > Regards<br><=
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"ltr">> I had the same trouble as everybody else, and the only relief I =
could get was to break the recovery seal, also. This went on for decades. O=
ne day I smelled some gas fumes in the car. After eliminating the carb as t=
he source I started looking behind the trunk panels. I found a crack in the=
vent tube and another crack in the filler neck. Fixed both of those. Went =
to gas up, stuck the nozzle in, put the automatic trip on, and was shocked =
that the tanks filled completely. This was about a year ago. Every fill up =
since, even at different gas stations, has had the same result. Goes totall=
y against logic and critical thinking, because previously the only way to g=
et gas in was to break the seal. Now, with no way for air to enter the syst=
em, it fills up completely without any fuss. Go figure!<br></div><div dir=
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; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> <br=
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=3D"ltr">> From: Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.=
net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&g=
t; On Behalf Of M Lafayette via Tigers<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> Sent:=
Wednesday, September 20, 2023 2:31 PM<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> To: j=
bsyv@yahoo.com; <a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" t=
arget=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> S=
ubject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank vent hose<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> <br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> <br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">> Seems like a few years back someone was advertising =
a device to put into the tank opening that supposedly solved this problem.<=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> <br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">> In a message dated 9/20/2023 4:07:50 PM Eastern Dayligh=
t Time, <a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D=
"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a> mailto:tigers@autox.team.net writes:<br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> <br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > <br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">> > Like Gary, I?m in CA and I hold back the vapor recove=
ry sleeve. I angle the nozzle down into the filler pipe and that helps. Sti=
ll a PITA though. Never tried the upside down method.<br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">> > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > <br></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr">> > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">> > > On Sep 20, 2023, at 8:07 AM, GARY WINBLAD <=
<a href=3D"mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blan=
k">garywinblad@comcast.net</a> mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net> wrote:<br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> >=
> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > You mus=
t not be in CA (or other state with the vapor recovery gas pumps).<br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">> > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > All 13 gal=
lons take forever for me, so I never try to go more than 9 or so.<br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">> > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > Old cars do=
n't have the on-board carbon canister system that is needed for the new pum=
ps.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> >=
; So there is nothing you can do.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > <br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > When the nozzle is fully inserted and gas p=
umped in the pressure rises and the pump shuts<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&g=
t; > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > off, always spilling gas down =
the side and onto the ground. <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > <br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">> > I have to hold the nozzle crooked so the bello=
ws doesn't fully seat and just barely open the<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&g=
t; > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > trigger, takes forever.<br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr">> > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > Some guy=
s hold the nozzle upside down (vertical) and it works better. I just =
tried this again<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > <br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">> > and it did seem to work better than years ago when I last tr=
ied it.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>=
> Gary<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&=
gt; > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > <br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">> > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > <br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > On 09/19/=
2023 2:16 PM PDT Greg Oliver <<a href=3D"mailto:gregdawg89@hotmail.com"; =
rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">gregdawg89@hotmail.com</a> mailto:gregda=
wg89@hotmail.com> wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> &=
gt; > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > It does t=
hat with my Tiger too. ?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> >=
> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
> > > ---------------------------------------------<br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > From: =
Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow=
" target=3D"_blank">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a> mailto:tigers-bounces=
@autox.team.net> on behalf of Joel Martin via Tigers <<a href=3D"mail=
to:tigers@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.t=
eam.net</a> mailto:tigers@autox.team.net><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">>=
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 1:53 PM<br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">> > > To: Tiger List Serve <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.=
team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a> mail=
to:tigers@autox.team.net><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > Subje=
ct: [Tigers] Gas tank vent hose<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > <b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&g=
t; > > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > I have a ongoing iss=
ue, more of testing my patience, in that it takes me at least 5 minutes to =
completely fill my gas tanks. It takes the first 8-9 gallons just fin=
e but the last 3-4 takes forever. I must squeak in .1-.2 gallons at a=
time, meaning I must wait 10-15 seconds for the gas to settle in the tanks=
before adding more.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > >=
; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > The gas tank vent hose is in th=
e correct location, I believe. No gas fumes in trunk. Gas tank =
sending unit and gauge are pretty accurate. When my patience holds an=
d I get the tanks full, gauge shows 11.75 to 12 gallons on the gauge.<br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > &g=
t; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">> > > Any ideas or suggestions as to why this might be happenin=
g and potential fix would be appreciated.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> &g=
t; > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > Regards<b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> >=
; > <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir=
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