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Hey, everyone:
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This is an interesting discussion thread. The question was asked =
earlier in the thread by, I believe, Dan Eiland, if there had ever been =
a list of Rootes dealers available. I happen to have in my possession =
just such an animal; it is the =E2=80=9CUnited States Dealer =
List=E2=80=9D for =E2=80=9CSunbeam=E2=80=A6A Rootes Product.=E2=80=9D =
It is a list of all the U.S.-based Rootes dealers in 1965, the year that =
the list was printed. It says on the back cover, =E2=80=9CFor Further =
Information, Contact British American Imports, Inc., 24-16 Bridge Plaza =
South, Long Island City, New York, 11101.=E2=80=9D
=20
If I remember correctly (and this was at least 35 years ago), an old =
friend of mine at the time (as well as a Tiger owner) gave me this =
publication. He had several of them due to the fact that his =
brother-in-law was the Sunbeam dealer in the Oklahoma City, OK, area =
(Vern Collins of Vern Collins Motor Co., U.S. 66 at North Redmond, =
Bethany, OK) and my friend had purchased his Tiger from him. =20
=20
I have taken a look at this publication and have tried to find some of =
the dealerships that the participants in this thread have mentioned, but =
have only been able to find one (Nick Graffeo Motors, 1809 3rd Ave., =
Birmingham, AL). Since this list was published/printed sometime in =
1965, this leads me to believe that the dealer network for Rootes cars =
in the U.S. may have been a bit transitory in nature. Since Rootes =
dealers would have still been around for several years after this =
brochure was printed, it is reasonable to assume that there were more =
dealers added and/or some dealers dropped out of the network. =20
=20
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740
=20
From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of D or G =
at sbc via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 9:50 AM
To: Tiger List <tigers@autox.team.net>; Daniel Eiland <deiland1@att.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales =
Information
=20
Some original Tiger sales literature have the dealer info stamped on =
them, so these could ID dealers.
=20
David
=20
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 12:09:45 AM PDT, Daniel Eiland via =
=20
=20
With the talk about Tigers and Ports of Entry, I was wondering if anyone =
has ever put together a list of the Sunbeam car dealer network?
=20
I know that some cars I've owned you could trace which dealer originally =
sold the car through the original paperwork. Without the original =
paperwork I'm not sure how you would know.
=20
Was there ever a list of dealers?
=20
I know in 1966-1967 my father bought a brand new Sunbeam Alpine GT. Car =
came with a hardtop but there was no soft top. The dealer had their own =
Alpine they used for racing and I can remember trying to talk my dad =
into buying a Sunbeam Tiger which the dealer had in stock.
=20
The dealer was close to the military bases which was probably where most =
of their buyers were from.
=20
I don't recall the name of the dealership, but I remember they were on =
Dyer Street in El Paso, Texas.=20
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From: "Brian Glenn via Tigers" <tigers@autox.team.net =
Cc:=20
Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:47 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
All,
I was reviewing a well researched 1995 article What is a Sunbeam Tiger? =
listed on the STOA website by Von Levandowski from Cobra Magazine.
In it, he states "While about 80% of the original Tiger sales were =
located on the west coast, ownership opportunities now exist =
nationwide."
While I knew the majority of Tigers were delivered to California, I had =
never heard it quantified.
Our Tiger research has always lacked data on delivery ports and retail =
outlet distribution.
=20
Does anyone know from where this 80% figure was obtained?
Does anyone have additional or contradictory information/documentation =
on ports of entry and retail distribution?
Thanks in advance.
Cheers
B
=20
Brian Glenn
P.O. Box 578
Julian, CA 92036-0578
714.345.9883
B9470208LRXFE GT
B9471101LRXFE=20
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B382000846LRXFE=20
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><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>This is an interesting discussion thread.=C2=A0 The question was asked =
earlier in the thread by, I believe, Dan Eiland, if there had ever been =
a list of Rootes dealers available.=C2=A0 I happen to have in my =
possession just such an animal;=C2=A0 it is the =E2=80=9CUnited States =
Dealer List=E2=80=9D for =E2=80=9CSunbeam=E2=80=A6A Rootes =
Product.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 It is a list of all the U.S.-based Rootes =
dealers in 1965, the year that the list was printed.=C2=A0 It says on =
the back cover, =E2=80=9CFor Further Information, Contact British =
American Imports, Inc., 24-16 Bridge Plaza South, Long Island City, New =
York, 11101.=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>If I remember correctly (and this was at least 35 years ago), an old =
friend of mine at the time (as well as a Tiger owner) gave me this =
publication.=C2=A0 He had several of them due to the fact that his =
brother-in-law was the Sunbeam dealer in the Oklahoma City, OK, area =
(Vern Collins of Vern Collins Motor Co., U.S. 66 at North Redmond, =
Bethany, OK) and my friend had purchased his Tiger from him.=C2=A0 =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>I have taken a look at this publication and have tried to find some of =
the dealerships that the participants in this thread have mentioned, but =
have only been able to find one (Nick Graffeo Motors, 1809 =
3<sup>rd</sup> Ave., Birmingham, AL).=C2=A0 Since this list was =
published/printed sometime in 1965, this leads me to believe that the =
dealer network for Rootes cars in the U.S. may have been a bit =
transitory in nature.=C2=A0 Since Rootes dealers would have still been =
around for several years after this brochure was printed, it is =
reasonable to assume that there were more dealers added and/or some =
dealers dropped out of the network.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Andy Walker<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>Edmond, OK<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>B382001600LRXFE<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
>TAC #740<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'=
><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>D or G =
at sbc via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 24, 2022 9:50 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Tiger List <tigers@autox.team.net>; Daniel Eiland =
<deiland1@att.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Fw: Original =
Tiger Port of Entry and Sales =
Information<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>Some =
original Tiger sales literature have the dealer info stamped on them, so =
these could ID dealers.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue"'>David<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"ydp346809ecyahoo_quoted_1903596763"><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'>On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 12:09:45 AM PDT, =
Daniel Eiland via Tigers <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
id=3Dydp346809ecyiv4732520198><div><div =
id=3Dydp346809ecyiv4732520198><div><div =
id=3Dydp346809ecyiv4732520198><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'>With the talk about Tigers and Ports of Entry, I =
was wondering if anyone has ever put together a list of the Sunbeam car =
dealer network?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'>I know that some cars I've owned you could trace =
which dealer originally sold the car through the original paperwork. =
Without the original paperwork I'm not sure how you would =
know.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'>Was there ever a list of =
dealers?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'>I know in 1966-1967 my father bought a brand new =
Sunbeam Alpine GT. Car came with a hardtop but there was no soft top. =
The dealer had their own Alpine they used for racing and I can remember =
trying to talk my dad into buying a Sunbeam Tiger which the dealer had =
in stock.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'>The dealer was close to the military bases which =
was probably where most of their buyers were =
from.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'>I don't recall the name of the dealership, but I =
remember they were on Dyer Street in El Paso, =
Texas. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
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class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#6D00F6'>S=
ubject:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#6D00F6'> =
[Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales =
Information<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div=
id=3Dydp346809ecyiv4732520198yqt74795><div =
id=3Dydp346809ecyiv4732520198yqt20430><div =
id=3Dydp346809ecyiv4732520198yqt43690><div =
id=3Dydp346809ecyiv4732520198yqt81310><div =
id=3Dydp346809ecyiv4732520198><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'>All,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'>I was reviewing a well researched 1995 article =
<i>What is a Sunbeam Tiger?</i> listed on the STOA website by Von =
Levandowski from Cobra Magazine.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'>In it, he states "</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0A0A0A'>While about 80% =
of the original Tiger sales were located on the west coast, ownership =
opportunities now exist nationwide.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'>"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'>While I knew the majority of Tigers were delivered =
to California, I had never heard it =
quantified.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Our Tiger research =
has always lacked data on delivery ports and retail outlet =
distribution.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'>Does anyone know from where this 80% figure was =
obtained?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Does anyone have =
additional or contradictory information/documentation on ports of entry =
and retail distribution?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'>Thanks in =
advance.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'>B<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue";color:#26282A'>Brian Glenn<br>P.O. Box 578<br>Julian, CA =
92036-0578<br>714.345.9883<br><br>B9470208LRXFE GT<br>B9471101LRXFE =
<br>B9472615LRXFE <br>B382000846LRXFE =
<br>B382001212LRXFE<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></=
div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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