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Re: [Tigers] Booster Issue

To: Will Seay <Tigers@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Booster Issue
From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 11:51:09 -0500
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Well, the booster was rebuilt about a year ago and it worked fine on my
first drive. On the second day I took it to get a front end alignment and
it was fine on the way over. While the mechanic had the car on the machine
he had device clamped on the steering wheel that kept the brake pedal
pushed down. It was like that for over an hour and I think that probably
caused the booster to stick.

I am in the process of moving, so when I get settled I'll tear into to see
if I can fix. But I'm not going anywhere without the bypass line.

By the way, I had a hard time finding a shop that would do the alignment. I
was finally referred to a shop that mostly works on JDM stuff. I told the
guy what I needed and he said "no problem".  He has a brand new Hunter
alignment machine. It has the Tiger specs loaded in it's computer and even
shows pictures of the a arms and where to put the shims. Cool machine.

Thanks,
Joe

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020, 11:21 AM Will Seay <Tigers@embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Joe,
>
> This probably isn't the cause of your problem but I thought I would
> mention it just in case.  If your booster has just undergone a rebuild by
> you or someone else it may have been reassembled incorrectly.  Ask me how=
 I
> know.  There's a horseshoe-shaped piece, made of spring steel, that acts =
as
> a spring to the two valves in the booster.  It's shown (poorly) in
> edge-view in Figure 10 of the workshop manual as item no. 30 - "Valve
> springs".  If it is installed upside down, the valves will not close as
> they should and the brakes will lock up after one application.
> Good luck
>
> Will - 382001570
> Tigers@embarqmail.com
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 9:56 AM Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com> wrote:
>
>> Joe
>>
>>                 Just a couple of notes about this =E2=80=93 things you h=
ave
>> probably already done.
>>
>> 1                     bled the brakes again
>>
>> 2                     check to make sure the weight of the brake pedal
>> is not activating the booster =E2=80=93 I had a poor pedal return spring=
 that
>> caused this problem
>>
>>
>>
>> fittings -
>> https://www.sherco-auto.com/brake-fuel-line-fittings-and-steel-brake-lin=
e.html
>>
>>
>>
>> brake fittings and much more
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron Fraser
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Joe Brown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 17, 2020 5:14 PM
>> *To:* Tigers Den <Tigers@autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* [Tigers] Booster Issue
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I finally finished my Tiger enough to take it for a test drive.  First
>> drive was good, so I went for a longer drive and the brakes locked up.
>> Seems to be a classic issue where the booster sticks.  I can crack open =
the
>> output line and the pressure releases the brakes.  But they lock up agai=
n
>> when I apply the brakes again.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, I am trying to make a line to bypass the booster but I'm having
>> trouble finding the female fittings that will mate up with the lines tha=
t
>> go to the booster.  Does anybody know where to get them or what they are
>> called?  The female threaded part appears to be 3/8"-14 and I think the
>> tubing that goes into it  is 3/16" with a bubble flare.  I have plenty o=
f
>> tubing, I just need the fittings.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Joe Brown
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>>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Well, the booster was rebuilt about a year ago and it wor=
ked fine on my first drive. On the second day I took it to get a front end =
alignment and it was fine on the way over. While the mechanic had the car o=
n the machine he had device clamped on the steering wheel that kept the bra=
ke pedal pushed down. It was like that for over an hour and I think that pr=
obably caused the booster to stick.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">I am in the process of moving, so when I get settled I&#39;ll t=
ear into to see if I can fix. But I&#39;m not going anywhere without the by=
pass line.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">By the way, I=
 had a hard time finding a shop that would do the alignment. I was finally =
referred to a shop that mostly works on JDM stuff. I told the guy what I ne=
eded and he said &quot;no problem&quot;.=C2=A0 He has a brand new Hunter al=
ignment machine. It has the Tiger specs loaded in it&#39;s computer and eve=
n shows pictures of the a arms and where to put the shims. Cool machine.</d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks,</div><div dir=3D"a=
uto">Joe</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 18, 2020, 11:21 AM Will Seay &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:Tigers@embarqmail.com">Tigers@embarqmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small">Joe,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:s=
mall">This probably isn&#39;t the cause of your problem but I thought I wou=
ld mention it just in case.=C2=A0 If your booster has just undergone a rebu=
ild by you or someone else it may have been reassembled incorrectly.=C2=A0 =
Ask me how I know.=C2=A0 There&#39;s a horseshoe-shaped piece, made of spri=
ng steel, that acts as a spring to the two valves in the booster.=C2=A0 It&=
#39;s shown (poorly) in edge-view in Figure 10 of the workshop manual as it=
em no. 30 - &quot;Valve springs&quot;.=C2=A0 If it is installed upside down=
, the valves will not close as they should and the brakes will lock up afte=
r one application.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:sma=
ll">Good luck</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><=
br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Will - 382001570 <br><a href=3D"mailto:Tigers@embarqmail.com"; targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Tigers@embarqmail.com</a></div></div></div=
><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_a=
ttr">On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 9:56 AM Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rfras=
er@bluefrog.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">rfraser@bluefrog.com<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><=
div lang=3D"EN-US"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Joe <u></u><u></u></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Just a couple of notes about this =E2=80=
=93 things you have probably already done.<u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"mar=
gin-left:0.75in"><u></u><span>1<span style=3D"font:7pt &quot;Times New Roma=
n&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><u></u=
>bled the brakes again<u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:0.75in"><u>=
</u><span>2<span style=3D"font:7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><u></u>check to make sur=
e the weight of the brake pedal is not activating the booster =E2=80=93 I h=
ad a poor pedal return spring that caused this problem<u></u><u></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">fittings=
 - <a href=3D"https://www.sherco-auto.com/brake-fuel-line-fittings-and-stee=
l-brake-line.html" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://www.sherco-=
auto.com/brake-fuel-line-fittings-and-steel-brake-line.html</a><u></u><u></=
u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>brake fittings and much more<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></=
u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</=
b> Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"noreferrer">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf=
 Of </b>Joe Brown<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 17, 2020 5:14 PM<br><b>To=
:</b> Tigers Den &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bl=
ank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [T=
igers] Booster Issue<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I fin=
ally finished my Tiger enough to take it for a test drive.=C2=A0 First driv=
e was good, so I went for a longer drive and the brakes locked up.=C2=A0 Se=
ems to be a classic issue where the booster sticks.=C2=A0 I can crack open =
the output line and the pressure releases the brakes.=C2=A0 But they lock u=
p again when I apply the brakes again.=C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">So, I am trying to make a line to bypass the booster but I&#39;m =
having trouble finding the female fittings that will mate up with the lines=
 that go to the booster.=C2=A0 Does anybody know where to get them or what =
they are called?=C2=A0 The female threaded part appears to be 3/8&quot;-14 =
and I think the tubing that goes into it=C2=A0 is 3/16&quot; with a bubble =
flare.=C2=A0 I have plenty of tubing, I just need the fittings.=C2=A0=C2=A0=
<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">Joe Brown<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div>_____=
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