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And here is everything you might want to know about LAT - which stands for
"Los Angeles Tiger." Thus, not basic factory options:
http://tigersunited.com/resources/parts_service/lat.asp
>From Tom Hall at that page:
*" Since I didn't know Ian Garrad until Dick Wheatly introduced us in 1971,
I can only tell you what I know of the situation from discussions at that
time. By that time, I had been communicating with Dick for about a year
about LAT Options and SCCA Homologation. Mr. Wheatly was the only contact I
could find that was familiar with Tiger Production and distribution. We,
STOA, were up to our ears in negotiations with the SF Region of SCCA in
support of Tiger Owner/Members that were Auto Crossing locally at that
time.*
*Dick was one of Ian's point men in the development of the whole series of
LAT options while he was an employee of International Automobiles (Ian's
West Coast Rootes Group Sunbeam Distributorship). I do know that Ian had
Sunbeam Factory Authorization to develop these options and they were
developed for two very good reasons. First they helped the cars go fast on
race day which helped sell cars big time in that era. Essentially anything
that Doane Spencer developed for racing application was given an LAT number
and some quantity of these items were produced and put into "inventory".
This "inventory" was primarily for SCCA Homogulation purposes, so the
material in inventory might or might not have been the same as Doane's
functioning hardware, but it "looked" like it. If you knew the right people
(most likely Shelby, International Automobile, or Hollywood Sports Car
employees) you could have Special Ordered a Tiger and had those parts
installed by someone in that chain prior to having the car delivered to the
dealership. I'll be the first to admit that this was not a common situation
and the vast majority of the cars were sent to the dealers as received from
England, but that gets us to the second reason for the LAT Option
development.*
*The Tiger was not particularly profitable as it was produced in basic
form. The LAT Options list was another way for International Automobiles
and the retail dealers to share in the sale of options which enhanced the
profitability of their operations. This was of paramount importance to Ian,
the CEO of the West Coast Sunbeam Distributorship, International
Automobiles, who knew that his parent company was in a desperate financial
situation. You have to give them credit for at least attempting to meet all
of these potentially conflicting situations. By mid 1966 their efforts
proved insufficient and Chrysler Corporation assumed management control of
the Rootes Group in an attempt to control the continued corporate losses of
their subsidiary .*
*In the process, they managed to flush the whole of International
Automobiles personnel from the remaining operation. In doing so, they also
created a situation where most of the "documentation" was "lost". All we
have is a few random letters and copies of "stuff". Some of us have special
memories for those who tried to make it happen."*
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 1:47 AM Brian Glenn via Tigers <
tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
> Jim,
> Electric clocks were options, but not LAT.
> LAT were performance options.
> Rootes had a number of other options, such as seat belts, back up lights,
> cigar lighter, etc.
> The cost is listed as $24.
>
> Brian Glenn
> P.O. Box 578
> Julian, CA 92036-0578
> 714.345.9883
>
> B9470208LRXFE GT
> B9471101LRXFE
> B9472615LRXFE
> B382000846LRXFE
> B382001212LRXFE
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 10:50:07 PM PDT, Jim B via Tigers <
> tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> I too have been following this thread. Interesting stuff. If the clocks
> were dealer installed, did they have a LAT number? I=E2=80=99ve never see=
n a clock
> on the lists of LAT options that I=E2=80=99ve seen. And, I wonder what th=
e cost was
> to have the clock installed. I think it has been established that clocks
> were not that common originally in Tigers or Alpines for that matter whic=
h
> makes me wonder if buyers looked at the options and decided a 4 bbl was
> money better spent. Also, if the 3030 was indeed never produced, and then
> was reproduced from legend, that would be amazing to me!
>
> On May 12, 2020, at 2:43 PM, jimdamelio via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net=
>
> wrote:
>
> Clyde, what you wrote is very true. Rootes used what was available from
> their suppliers. There weren't many factory installed options. White
> walls, sunvisors, hardtop etc. Most all of the factory options could be
> dealer installed. So everyone was dependent on what was supplied to them=
.
>
> The clock thread began because some of us don't believe that a 3030/00
> exists. I believe it was a typo in an article and people have run with
> it. Even gone so far as reproducing the clock face with those numbers. =
My
> thought are it should be 3131/00 for early Tigers and 3131/01 for later
> one. I would like to see a picture of a clapped out 3030/00.
>
> Jim D
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: clyde mclaughlin via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
> Date: 5/12/20 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] clocks
>
> I have watched all this clock talk for over a week now, I maybe missing
> something but my understanding was that the clock was a dealer installed
> accessory, not installed at the factory, am I right or wrong?? That bein=
g
> said, if the clocks were in fact dealer installed then couldn't you have =
an
> early clock installed in a late car depending on the dealers stock, or wh=
en
> stock was ordered from Rootes warehouse who's to say if it was always
> shipped out on in the order of production or receipt from supplier. I don=
't
> know which clock I have because I'm presently not where my car is to ck i=
t
> out, I do know it has been converted to quarts and keeps perfect time, Cl=
yde
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<div dir=3D"ltr">And here is everything you might want to know about LAT - =
which stands for "Los Angeles Tiger."=C2=A0 Thus, not basic facto=
ry options:<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://tigersunited.com/resources=
/parts_service/lat.asp">http://tigersunited.com/resources/parts_service/lat=
.asp</a>=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>From Tom Hall at that page:</div><i=
style=3D"color:rgb(10,0,136);font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial">" S=
ince I didn't know Ian Garrad until Dick Wheatly introduced us in 1971,=
I can only tell you what I know of the situation from discussions at that =
time. By that time, I had been communicating with Dick for about a year abo=
ut LAT Options and SCCA Homologation. Mr. Wheatly was the only contact I co=
uld find that was familiar with Tiger Production and distribution. We, STOA=
, were up to our ears in negotiations with the SF Region of SCCA in support=
of Tiger Owner/Members that were Auto Crossing locally at that time.</i><i=
style=3D"color:rgb(10,0,136);font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial"><br></i>=
<i style=3D"color:rgb(10,0,136);font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial"><br></=
i><i style=3D"color:rgb(10,0,136);font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial">Dick=
was one of Ian's point men in the development of the whole series of L=
AT options while he was an employee of International Automobiles (Ian's=
West Coast Rootes Group Sunbeam Distributorship). I do know that Ian had S=
unbeam Factory Authorization to develop these options and they were develop=
ed for two very good reasons. First they helped the cars go fast on race da=
y which helped sell cars big time in that era. Essentially anything that Do=
ane Spencer developed for racing application was given an LAT number and so=
me quantity of these items were produced and put into "inventory"=
. This "inventory" was primarily for SCCA Homogulation purposes, =
so the material in inventory might or might not have been the same as Doane=
's functioning hardware, but it "looked" like it. If you knew=
the right people (most likely Shelby, International Automobile, or Hollywo=
od Sports Car employees) you could have Special Ordered a Tiger and had tho=
se parts installed by someone in that chain prior to having the car deliver=
ed to the dealership. I'll be the first to admit that this was not a co=
mmon situation and the vast majority of the cars were sent to the dealers a=
s received from England, but that gets us to the second reason for the LAT =
Option development.</i><i style=3D"color:rgb(10,0,136);font-family:Verdana,=
Helvetica,Arial"><br></i><i style=3D"color:rgb(10,0,136);font-family:Verdan=
a,Helvetica,Arial"><br></i><i style=3D"color:rgb(10,0,136);font-family:Verd=
ana,Helvetica,Arial">The Tiger was not particularly profitable as it was pr=
oduced in basic form. The LAT Options list was another way for Internationa=
l Automobiles and the retail dealers to share in the sale of options which =
enhanced the profitability of their operations. This was of paramount impor=
tance to Ian, the CEO of the West Coast Sunbeam Distributorship, Internatio=
nal Automobiles, who knew that his parent company was in a desperate financ=
ial situation. You have to give them credit for at least attempting to meet=
all of these potentially conflicting situations. By mid 1966 their efforts=
proved insufficient and Chrysler Corporation assumed management control of=
the Rootes Group in an attempt to control the continued corporate losses o=
f their subsidiary .</i><i style=3D"color:rgb(10,0,136);font-family:Verdana=
,Helvetica,Arial"><br></i><i style=3D"color:rgb(10,0,136);font-family:Verda=
na,Helvetica,Arial"><br></i><div><i style=3D"color:rgb(10,0,136);font-famil=
y:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial">In the process, they managed to flush the whole =
of International Automobiles personnel from the remaining operation. In doi=
ng so, they also created a situation where most of the "documentation&=
quot; was "lost". All we have is a few random letters and copies =
of "stuff". Some of us have special memories for those who tried =
to make it happen."</i>=C2=A0<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 1:47 AM=
Brian Glenn via Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers=
@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pad=
ding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica Neue",He=
lvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jim,</div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">Electric clocks were options, but not LAT.</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">LAT were performance options.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Rootes had a numbe=
r of other options, such as seat belts, back up lights, cigar lighter, etc.=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">The cost is listed as $24.</div><div><br></div><div>=
Brian Glenn<br> P.O. Box 578<br> Julian, CA 92036-0578<br> 714.345.9883<br>=
<br> B9470208LRXFE GT<br> B9471101LRXFE <br> B9472615LRXFE <br> B382000846=
LRXFE <br> B382001212LRXFE</div></div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div>
=20
</div><div id=3D"gmail-m_720198783417659015yahoo_quoted_9666297388"=
>
<div style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,=
Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
=20
<div>
On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 10:50:07 PM PDT, Jim B via Ti=
gers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">tigers@=
autox.team.net</a>> wrote:
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><div id=3D"gmail-m_720198783417659015yiv5354144265"><d=
iv>I too have been following this thread. Interesting stuff. If the clocks =
were dealer installed, did they have a LAT number? I=E2=80=99ve never seen =
a clock on the lists of LAT options that I=E2=80=99ve seen. And, I wonder w=
hat the cost was to have the clock installed. I think it has been establish=
ed that clocks were not that common originally in Tigers or Alpines for tha=
t matter which makes me wonder if buyers looked at the options and decided =
a 4 bbl was money better spent. Also, if the 3030 was indeed never produced=
, and then was reproduced from legend, that would be amazing to me!=C2=A0<b=
r><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On May 12, 2020, at 2:43 PM, jimd=
amelio via Tigers <<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.=
net" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><=
div><div>Clyde, what you wrote is very true.=C2=A0 Rootes used what was ava=
ilable from their suppliers.=C2=A0 There weren't many factory installed=
options.=C2=A0 White walls, sunvisors, hardtop etc.=C2=A0 Most all of the =
factory options could be dealer installed.=C2=A0 So everyone was dependent =
on what was supplied to them.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>The cloc=
k thread began because some of us don't believe that a 3030/00 exists.=
=C2=A0 I believe it was a typo in an article and people have run with it.=
=C2=A0 Even gone so far as reproducing the clock face with those numbers.=
=C2=A0 My thought are it should be 3131/00 for early Tigers and 3131/01 for=
later one.=C2=A0 I would like to see a picture of a clapped out 3030/00.</=
div><div><br></div><div>Jim D</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div id=3D=
"gmail-m_720198783417659015yiv5354144265composer_signature"><div style=3D"f=
ont-size:85%;color:rgb(87,87,87)">Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.</=
div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div style=3D"font-size:100%"><div>=
-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: clyde mclaughlin via Tig=
ers <<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D=
"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> </div><div>Date: 5/12/20 4:35 PM (=
GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: <a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.t=
eam.net" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a> </div><div>Subject: [T=
igers] clocks </div><div><br></div></div>
<div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font=
-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:arial">I have watched all this cl=
ock talk for over a week now, I maybe missing something but my understandin=
g was that the clock was a dealer installed accessory, not installed at the=
factory, am I right or wrong??=C2=A0 That being said, if the clocks were i=
n fact dealer installed then couldn't you have an early clock installed=
in a late car depending on the dealers stock, or when stock was ordered fr=
om Rootes warehouse who's to say if it was always shipped out on in the=
order of production or receipt from supplier. I don't know which clock=
I have because I'm presently not where my car is to ck it out, I do kn=
ow it has been converted to quarts and keeps perfect time, Clyde</div>
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