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To: James Lindner <jliny5@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Clocks
From: Jay Laifman via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 10:37:22 -0700
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Someone may have already posted this link:
http://sunbeamalpine.org/2007/10/24/the-smiths-electric-clock/

There is a picture of 3030 in it.  You can't see the little numbers on the
face.  But you can see that the face is distinctly different from the
others:
3131/00 with white arms, and 3 and 9 laying horizontally.
3131/01 with orange arms, with 3 and 9 upright
3030/00 with orange arms, and 3 and 9 laying horizontally.

Someone thought my dad had 3030/00.  That's not what is in the car now.
I'll look through his boxes.  But I definitely don't recall seeing an extra
clock.




On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 11:18 AM James Lindner via Tigers <
tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:

> Brian
>
> Still interested to hear from Norm on what evidence led him to state in
> his book that the Mk1 Tiger clock was 3030/00.
>
> Also, I thought I saw in the replies to your first email, somebody posted
> a photo of a 3131/00 clock AND a 3131/01. The 00 model had the 3&9
> horizontal, while on the 01 model they were vertical. It was my
> understanding this feature everybody agreed upon in distinguishing Mk1 fr=
om
> Mk1a/Mk2 clocks.
>
> Really looking forward to reading about what you finally determine.
>
> Jim Lindner
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 1, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Brian Glenn via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.ne=
t>
> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> I mentioned earlier that I am preparing an article for CAT Tiger Tales
> regarding Tiger clocks and clock aperture motifs.
> I have several preliminary conclusions that I wanted to run past the grou=
p
> before committing the findings to print.
>
> 1) There is no such animal as a Smiths 3030 clock.
> I've been searching for anyone that can tell me different and/or show me
> an example.
>
> I've checked with the current owners of Smiths instruments and the folks
> at Nisonger.
> Smiths tells me there is a gap in model numbers and picks up at 3100.
> Nisonger referenced Smiths 3131/01 for all Tiger models.
>
> 2) A 1967 Nisonger catalog and the Tiger parts supplement both indicate a
> single model of clock for all Tiger models.
>
> Nisonger references Smiths 3131/01 and Rootes #1235813 which is not in
> either the Tiger or Alpine parts catalogs.
> Rootes catalogs 6601131 and 6601334 both list a Tiger "clock kit" as
> Rootes #1229322.
>
> If there is a 3030 clock in your collection, please pass on a photo and
> any provenance information, e.g. it came with the car new, etc.
>
> Seems like this issue has remained unanswered for the last 50 years.
> I'd like to put it to rest if possible, but want to get it right.
> There's enough bad information out there already.
>
> Cheers,
> Brian
>
> Brian Glenn
> P.O. Box 578
> Julian, CA 92036-0578
> 714.345.9883
>
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> B9471101LRXFE
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Someone may have already=C2=A0posted this link:=C2=A0

<a href=3D"http://sunbeamalpine.org/2007/10/24/the-smiths-electric-clock/";>=
http://sunbeamalpine.org/2007/10/24/the-smiths-electric-clock/</a><div><br>=
</div><div>There is a picture of 3030 in it.=C2=A0 You can&#39;t see the li=
ttle numbers=C2=A0on the face.=C2=A0 But you can see that the face is disti=
nctly different from the others:</div><div>3131/00 with white arms, and 3 a=
nd 9 laying horizontally.</div><div>3131/01 with orange arms, with 3 and 9 =
upright</div><div>3030/00 with orange arms, and 3 and 9 laying horizontally=
.</div><div><br></div><div>Someone=C2=A0thought my dad had 3030/00.=C2=A0 T=
hat&#39;s not what is in the car now.=C2=A0 I&#39;ll look through his boxes=
.=C2=A0 But I definitely don&#39;t recall seeing an extra clock.</div><div>=
<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 11:18 AM Jam=
es Lindner via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@a=
utox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi=
ng-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Brian=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Still interes=
ted to hear from Norm on what evidence led him to state in his book that th=
e Mk1 Tiger clock was 3030/00.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, I thought I s=
aw in the replies to your first email, somebody posted a photo of a 3131/00=
 clock AND a 3131/01. The 00 model had the 3&amp;9 horizontal, while on the=
 01 model they were vertical. It was my understanding this feature everybod=
y agreed upon in distinguishing Mk1 from Mk1a/Mk2 clocks.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Really looking forward to reading about what you finally determine.=
</div><div><br></div><div>Jim Lindner<br><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent fro=
m my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 1, 202=
0, at 10:39 AM, Brian Glenn via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.t=
eam.net" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></bl=
ockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div sty=
le=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:16px"><div dir=3D"ltr">I mentioned earlier that I am preparing an ar=
ticle for CAT Tiger Tales regarding Tiger clocks and clock aperture motifs.=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">I have several preliminary conclusions that I wanted=
 to run past the group before committing the findings to print.</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">1) There is no such animal as a Smith=
s 3030 clock.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ve been searching for anyone that=
 can tell me different and/or show me an example.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ve checked with the current owners of Smiths =
instruments and the folks at Nisonger.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Smiths tells m=
e there is a gap in model numbers and picks up at 3100.</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Helvet=
ica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">Nisonger referenc=
ed Smiths 3131/01 for all Tiger models.</div><div><br></div></div></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">2) A 1967 Nisonger catalog and the Tiger parts supplement bot=
h indicate a single model of clock for all Tiger models.<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Nisonger references Smiths 3131/01 and =
Rootes #1235813 which is not in either the Tiger or Alpine parts catalogs.<=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Rootes catalogs 6601131 and 6601334 both list a T=
iger &quot;clock kit&quot; as Rootes #1229322.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">If there is a 3030 clock in your collection, please pa=
ss on a photo and any provenance information, e.g. it came with the car new=
, etc.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Seems like this iss=
ue has remained unanswered for the last 50 years.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#=
39;d like to put it to rest if possible, but want to get it right.</div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">There&#39;s enough bad information out there already.</div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Cheers,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bri=
an</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div>Brian Glenn<br> P.O. Box 578<br> Ju=
lian, CA 92036-0578<br> 714.345.9883<br> <br> B9470208LRXFE GT<br> B9471101=
LRXFE <br> B9472615LRXFE <br> B382000846LRXFE <br> B382001212LRXFE<br></div=
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