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Mayf
I don't know why but my server always gives me a Mail
Delivery error for you.
I've forward this to the Tigers List so you're sure to receive my reply
Ron Fraser
From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com]
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 11:43 PM
To: 'Larry Mayfield' <drmayf@mayfco.com>
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Original Tiger Engine Study
Mayf
The way I understand it Ford produced and applied the decals
on each valve cover; I believe this was Ford's accounting system for each
engine.
The engine group numbers vary in letters; this is an old alpha to numeric
system that Norm Miller discovered at Ford. He lists it on his web site,
Bits and Pieces pg. 4.
Tiger Engine groups start with T, E, G, L, A, K, S, F, B and each represents
a different number and covers engine groups from T15KL = 8/15/63 to
A22KK = 4/22/66. I believe the engine group numbers represents a start
build paperwork date for the Cleveland Foundry.
My hope is to understand what kind of correlation there is between the
engine group numbers and the assembly date codes stamped into each engine
within each engine group.
To me everything on the Sunbeam or Rootes LTD valve cover
sticker screams Ford. Rootes would have no reason to make and apply a
decal that states Ford especially with Chrysler buying shares in the Rootes
Group but Ford would have every reason in the world to advertise Made in
the USA by Ford Motor Company.
Ron
From: Larry Mayfield [mailto:drmayf@mayfco.com]
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 8:17 PM
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Original Tiger Engine Study
Ron, rereading some of my emails. Have a question regards the engine codes
like the one below. Isn't that metal decal added by Sunbeam and not Ford?
Do they all start with a B? Like our car vin numbers. Seems to me that this
would be a way for Rootes to tie engines to cars rather than to Ford trying
to do that. Or is it that I am a day late and a dollar short in knowing
what is going on, lol. That is a strong possibility! My guess is that when
engines rolled into Rootes the production folk immediately slapped the decal
on the valve cover to indicate the cars in production that week or month.
Anyway, interesting discussion regards some of these things.
Mayf
_________________________
drmayf
Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit (not top) speed
From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 9:08 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Engine Study
The mystery of the B19KC engine group.
My theory is that this engine group has an early 65 build since B19KC
translates to Feb 19, 1965.
I believe that date indicates start build paperwork for the Cleveland
Foundry and I expect some engines were built in Feb, March 1965.
These 260 engines were built to 1965 specifications and painted black.
The problem is, I have no evidence for this early build so I need your help
to solve the mystery.
I believe this early build of the B19KC group started around engine # 5570
and ended around engine #6000.
It would be interesting to know what engine # started the B19KC engine
group.
It would be interesting to know what engine # ended this early build.
I have read some statements online indicating there are owners with black
B19KC engines.
I would like to hear from them and send them my Original Engine Worksheet so
if anyone has one of these engine or has seen one somewhere; please pass my
contact information to them.
I'm always looking for more information about any of the engine groups so
don't hesitate to participate.
Thanks for your help
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class=3DMsoNormal>Mayf<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> &=
nbsp; I don’t know why but my server =
always gives me a Mail Delivery error for you.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I’ve forward this to the Tigers List so =
you’re sure to receive my reply<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Ron Fraser =
[mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 05, =
2016 11:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Larry Mayfield' =
<drmayf@mayfco.com><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Tigers] Original Tiger =
Engine Study<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Mayf<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> &=
nbsp; The way I understand it Ford =
produced and applied the decals on each valve cover; I believe this was =
Ford’s accounting system for each engine.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The engine group numbers vary in letters; this is an =
old alpha to numeric system that Norm Miller discovered at Ford. =
He lists it on his web site, Bits and Pieces pg. =
4.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Tiger Engine groups start with T, =
E, G, L, A, K, S, F, B and each represents a different number and covers =
engine groups from T15KL =3D 8/15/63 to <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>A22KK =3D 4/22/66. I believe the engine group =
numbers represents a start build paperwork date for the Cleveland =
Foundry.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>My hope is to understand what kind of correlation =
there is between the engine group numbers and the assembly date codes =
stamped into each engine within each engine group.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> &=
nbsp; To me everything on the Sunbeam or =
Rootes LTD valve cover sticker screams Ford. Rootes would =
have no reason to make and apply a decal that states Ford especially =
with Chrysler buying shares in the Rootes Group but Ford would =
have every reason in the world to advertise Made in the USA by Ford =
Motor Company. <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Larry Mayfield [<a =
href=3D"mailto:drmayf@mayfco.com";>mailto:drmayf@mayfco.com</a>] =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 05, 2016 8:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Ron =
Fraser' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com";>rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>><br><b>S=
ubject:</b> RE: [Tigers] Original Tiger Engine =
Study<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ron, rereading =
some of my emails. Have a question regards the engine codes like the one =
below. Isn’t that metal decal added by Sunbeam and not =
Ford? Do they all start with a B? Like our car vin numbers. =
Seems to me that this would be a way for Rootes to tie engines to cars =
rather than to Ford tr<a name=3D"_MailEndCompose">ying to do that. =
Or is it that I am a day late and a dollar short in knowing what is =
going on, lol. That is a strong possibility! My guess is that when =
engines rolled into Rootes the production folk immediately slapped the =
decal on the valve cover to indicate the cars in production that week or =
month. </a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Anyway, =
interesting discussion regards some of these things. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Mayf<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>_________________________<br>drmayf<br>Worlds Fastest =
Sunbeam, period.<br>204.913 mph flying mile<br>210.779 mph exit (not =
top) speed<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><i><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers [<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:tigers-bounces@autox=
.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Fraser via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Sunday, August 28, 2016 9:08 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net";>tigers@Autox.Team.Net</a><br><b>Sub=
ject:</b> [Tigers] Original Tiger Engine =
Study<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>The =
mystery of the B19KC engine group.<o:p></o:p></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>My theory is =
that this engine group has an early 65 build since B19KC translates to =
Feb 19, 1965. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I believe =
that date indicates start build paperwork for the Cleveland Foundry and =
I expect some engines were built in Feb, March 1965.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>These 260 engines were built to 1965 specifications =
and painted black.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>The =
problem is, I have no evidence for this early build so I need your help =
to solve the mystery.<o:p></o:p></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>I believe =
this early build of the B19KC group started around engine # 5570 and =
ended around engine #6000.<o:p></o:p></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>It would be =
interesting to know what engine # started the B19KC engine =
group.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It would be interesting to know what engine # ended =
this early build.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have read =
some statements online indicating there are owners with black B19KC =
engines.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I would like to hear from =
them and send them my Original Engine Worksheet so if anyone has one of =
these engine or has seen one somewhere; please pass my contact =
information to them.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>I’m =
always looking for more information about any of the engine groups so =
don’t hesitate to participate.<o:p></o:p></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks for =
your help<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser <a =
href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com";>rfraser@bluefrog.com</a><o:p></o:p><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>
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