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Hi Jon,
The last time that it was attempted to bring the Tiger Wiki page in line wi=
th what is commonly accepted as fact by marque experts, the =93editors=94 w=
ho did the earlier work to the page came out, reverted the edits, and let i=
t be known in no uncertain terms that they would not tolerate outsiders bes=
mirching the holy writ of the =93reliable sources=94 they had established t=
hrough what they considered to be rigorous process.
The basic problem is that Robson is =93reliable source=94 simply because he=
has published a lot of books. Independent research (such as me looking at =
my Tiger and finding things that do not agree with their writing) is not pe=
rmitted in Wikipedia because it=92s not =93verifiable=94 by searching other=
in-print or otherwise published references. Books such as Norm Miller=92s,=
being independently published and having a small total print run, carry li=
ttle or no weight in Wikipedia-land, regardless of the quality of the under=
lying research.
If the earlier editors have abandoned wikipedia and it=92s now possible to =
make edits, then that would be fantastic =96 but it would still have to be =
very carefully done so that all parts of the Wiki page have an attribution =
back to a book that, from the Wiki point of view, passes the =93reliable so=
urce=94 test.
Since I have taken part in this jousting match several times earlier I=92d =
be interested in seeing if progress can be made.
Theo
.team.net>>
Date: Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger Wiki
To Rande Bellman,
The Wiki-"powers-that-be" have accorded the Sunbeam Tiger entry its much co=
veted "Featured" status... so it must be accurate!
Seriously though, seeing how it is not "protected" (even semi), anyone is f=
ree to make any and all improvements as they see fit.
Ask me how I know. I.e., as "pragmath", I have made a change or two myself.
=
Regards,
=
Jon
P.S. Btw, one thing it's sorely lacking are images of Tigers in stock, unad=
orned form. There is very little to choose from in in "Wikimedia".
Please, by all means, have at it.
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<div>Hi Jon,</div>
<div>The last time that it was attempted to bring the Tiger Wiki page in li=
ne with what is commonly accepted as fact by marque experts, the =93editors=
=94 who did the earlier work to the page came out, reverted the edits, and =
let it be known in no uncertain terms
that they would not tolerate outsiders besmirching the holy writ of the =
=93reliable sources=94 they had established through what they considered to=
be rigorous process. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The basic problem is that Robson is =93reliable source=94 simply becau=
se he has published a lot of books. Independent research (such as me lookin=
g at my Tiger and finding things that do not agree with their writing) is n=
ot permitted in Wikipedia because it=92s
not =93verifiable=94 by searching other in-print or otherwise published re=
ferences. Books such as Norm Miller=92s, being independently published and =
having a small total print run, carry little or no weight in Wikipedia-land=
, regardless of the quality of the underlying
research.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If the earlier editors have abandoned wikipedia and it=92s now possibl=
e to make edits, then that would be fantastic =96 but it would still have t=
o be very carefully done so that all parts of the Wiki page have an attribu=
tion back to a book that, from the Wiki
point of view, passes the =93reliable source=94 test.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Since I have taken part in this jousting match several times earlier I=
=92d be interested in seeing if progress can be made.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Theo </div>
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:=
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 9:=
22 AM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>Tigers List <<a href=3D"mail=
to:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger=
Wiki<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">To Rande Bellman,</div>
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466241767951_3283" dir=3D"ltr">The Wiki-"=
;powers-that-be" have accorded the Sunbeam Tiger entry its much covete=
d "Featured" status... so it must be accurate!<br>
</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466241767951_4657" dir=3D"ltr">Seriously thou=
gh, seeing how it is not "protected" (even semi), anyone is free =
to make any and all improvements as they see fit.
<br>
</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466241767951_5165" dir=3D"ltr">Ask me how I k=
now. I.e., as "pragmath", I have made a change or two myself.<br>
</div>
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466241767951_4954" dir=3D"ltr"> &n=
bsp;  =
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bsp;  =
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bsp;  =
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bsp; Regards,</div>
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bsp;  =
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bsp; Jon</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466241767951_7860" dir=3D"ltr">P.S. Btw, one =
thing it's sorely lacking are images of Tigers in stock, unadorned form. Th=
ere is very little to choose from in in "Wikimedia".</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1466241767951_8102" dir=3D"ltr">Please, by all=
means, have at it.
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