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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front Hubs
From: Jerry Mo Christopherson via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 11:23:29 -0500
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Speaking of hubs and in particular the discs.  Assuming the original
thickness being around =BD=94, just how far can one go when turning our =
discs
down??  I have never seen any stampings on a disc to say what the =
=93limit=94
is.   Just curious.

=20

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

TAC Ins. 58

=20

=20

From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron =
Fraser
via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 7:46 AM
To: 'michael king'; 'Tod Brown'
Cc: tigers@Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front Hubs

=20

Every part has allowable manufacturing tolerance specified on the print.

=20

I believe the brake discs should be about 1/2" thick but I don't know =
the
tolerance for the max thickness or the diameter.  The caliper opening,
caliper position and the thickness of the brake pads govern the max
thickness and diameter of the disc.

=20

The hub could be a different story.   It is very possible the mould =
cavity
for that hub was at end of life with the tolerances maxed out or even
greater.   Rootes was also near end of life so a deviation was probably
signed off to accept these out of spec parts.  This is only a possible
explanation.   We would need Corporate record to know the real truth.

=20

Most likely that hub has some extra metal at the center hub that can be
machine down to fit that Mag.

=20

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael
king via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 1:45 AM
To: Tod Brown
Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front Hubs

The disc thickness will be weak, the size if disc is odd.  Should be =
same
diameter on series 3-v alpine and tiger.

As for hubs same on all alpines on front.... Maybe running wrong grease =
cap?


On 13 Sep 2015 14:29, "Tod Brown via Tigers" <tigers@autox.team.net> =
wrote:

Hello All:

The other day, a friend who owns a Tiger II found that one of his pie =
mags
would not=20
fit on one of the front hubs. In trying to figure out why, we took a hub =
off
a Series V
Alpine that we have been dismantling and found that the mag would fit on
that hub
very easily. I would have thought that the hubs used on the Tiger II's =
and
the Series V
Alpines were the same and, as far as I can find, there is only one part
number on the
Parts List, but they are slightly different. Can anyone offer any =
insight
into this situation?

We also noticed that the brake discs on the Tiger II and the Alpine V =
were
different, with
the Tiger disc being thicker but slightly smaller in diameter than those =
on
the Alpine.

Are these just ordinary variations in manufactured parts of is there =
some
other
explanation?

Thanks,

Tod
B382002384LRXFE
TAC 864


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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Speaking of hubs and in particular the discs.=A0 Assuming the =
original thickness being around =BD&#8221;, just how far can one go when =
turning our discs down??=A0 I have never seen any stampings on a disc to =
say what the &#8220;limit&#8221; is. =A0=A0Just =
curious.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'>Jerry Christopherson<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>9473187<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'>TAC Ins. 58<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron =
Fraser via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 13, 2015 7:46 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> 'michael king'; 'Tod Brown'<br><b>Cc:</b> =
tigers@Autox.Team.Net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Front =
Hubs<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Ev=
ery part has allowable manufacturing tolerance specified on the =
print.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>I =
believe the brake discs should be about 1/2&quot; thick but I don't know =
the tolerance for the max&nbsp;thickness or the diameter.&nbsp; The =
caliper opening, caliper position&nbsp;and the thickness of the brake =
pads govern the max thickness and diameter&nbsp;of the =
disc.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Th=
e hub could be a different story.&nbsp;&nbsp; It is very possible the =
mould cavity for that hub&nbsp;was at end of life&nbsp;with the =
tolerances maxed out or even greater.&nbsp;&nbsp; Rootes was also near =
end of life so a deviation was probably&nbsp;signed off to =
accept&nbsp;these out of spec&nbsp;parts.&nbsp; This is only a possible =
explanation.&nbsp;&nbsp; We would need Corporate record to know the real =
truth.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Mo=
st likely that hub has some extra metal at the center hub that can be =
machine down to fit that Mag.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Ro=
n Fraser</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>-----Origina=
l Message-----<br><b>From:</b> Tigers [<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:tigers-bounces@autox=
.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>michael king via =
Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 13, 2015 1:45 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
Tod Brown<br><b>Cc:</b> Tiger Talk List Tiger<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Tigers] Front Hubs</span><o:p></o:p></p><p>The disc thickness will be =
weak, the size if disc is odd.&nbsp; Should be same diameter on series =
3-v alpine and tiger.<o:p></o:p></p><p>As for hubs same on all alpines =
on front.... Maybe running wrong grease cap? <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 13 Sep 2015 14:29, &quot;Tod Brown via Tigers&quot; =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hello All:<br><br>The other =
day, a friend who owns a Tiger II found that one of his pie mags would =
not <br>fit on one of the front hubs. In trying to figure out why, we =
took a hub off a Series V<br>Alpine that we have been dismantling and =
found that the mag would fit on that hub<br>very easily. I would have =
thought that the hubs used on the Tiger II's and the Series V<br>Alpines =
were the same and, as far as I can find, there is only one part number =
on the<br>Parts List, but they are slightly different. Can anyone offer =
any insight into this situation?<br><br>We also noticed that the brake =
discs on the Tiger II and the Alpine V were different, with<br>the Tiger =
disc being thicker but slightly smaller in diameter than those on the =
Alpine.<br><br>Are these just ordinary variations in manufactured parts =
of is there some =
other<br>explanation?<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Tod<br>B382002384LRXFE<br>TAC=
 864</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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