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Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Gears and rpms
From: Gary <maliburevue@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 00:08:25 -0700 (PDT)
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B 
I wholeheartedly agree with all the comments about converting from a close
ratio transmission to a wide ratio setup while keeping the 2.88 rearend gears
for street driving. My first Tiger had a close ratio transmission and 3.31
rearend gears, and although it was great out of the hole, it was terrible at
70 mph on the highway at 3500 rpms. Granted, a close ratio setup is great on a
road course where you want your engine rpm in the sweet spot of the torque
curve at all times, but stop and go street driving is a drag with such a tall
first gear.
The factory 2.78 wide ratio first gear is 20% lower than the
factory 2.32 close ratio first gear. I have mentioned to some here on the
TigerB List that when I converted my present Tiger to a wide ratio, I
installed a 2.90 first gear instead of the factory 2.78 first gear. This makes
for a 25% lower first gear over the close ratio setup. My first gear is now so
low that I am next going to install 2.72 rearend gears for a 6% overdrive
(compared to the 2.88s). This will drop my 2.90 first gear to a comparable
2.74 ratio, nearly identical to the factory 2.78 wide ratio, still a 19%
improvement over the close ratio configuration. This will also drop my highway
engine speed another ~200 rpms lower than the factory 2.88s.
I spent ~$450 for
new wide ratio tranny gears and sold my old close ratio gears for ~$200. The
2.72 rearend gears range from $20 to $90 and use a fine spline (26) pinion
flange. I paid $50 for my rearend gears and $90 for the flange. Naturally if
you farm out the labor, it will be more. But for less than $500 for parts,
1/10 the cost of aB 5 speed, I have a 2.74 first gear and a .94 overdrive,
with no cutting up the car, no issues with the bellhousing, clutch, throwout
bearing, linkage, speedo cable, gear shift opening or drive shaft, and an
unbreakable toploader that can easily handle the torque of my 331 stroker
motor.
For those who are interested in a wide ratio setup, here are the best
prices I have found:
http://www.allstategear.com/Toploader.htm
2nd - WT296-21A
- $59.10
3rd - WT296-11A - $57.60
input - WT296-16BB  - $82.10
cluster -
WT296-8A - $142.60
B 
http://toploadertransmissions.com/
2.90 1st - $125
Note:
David Kee no longer sells the 2.90 first gear, but Dan williams does. I found
the Dana 44 2.72 gearsB on Craigslist and eBay and the flange you can get
theB IWEB Rearends in Canada (you can use my name).
B IWE Rear Ends Only
888-433-4717 ext 1, Danelle
www.iwerearendsonly.com
For those of us who
donbt race open track and donbt feel like dropping $5,000 for a 5 speed,
yet who like everyday street driving, to me this bpoor manbs overdriveb
with the low first gear is the best all around setup.
B 
Gary Crandall
B 
P.S.
For comparison purposes I have added my spreadsheet comparing tranny and
rearend setups (except 3.54 and 3.73) based on a 23" tire and 6000 rpm shift
point. Note that first gear for the 2.90/2.72 combo is the same as the close
ratio with 3.31s, yet drops 600 rpms in fourth gear.
B 
If anyone wants my
complete original spreadsheet to play with their tire size and engine speed,
email me off List.
(I don't know if this will come through the List correctly)
B 
B  
Tire Diameter, in B  23   Close Ratio   Wide Ratio Original  5 speed
Optional 
RPM, max B  6000  1 2.32  1 2.90 2.78 1 2.95 3.35 
    2 1.69  2
1.93  2 1.94  
    3 1.29  3 1.36  3 1.34  
    4 1.00  4 1.00  4 1.00
5 0.80 0.63              
Rear End Ratio  2.72 B   2.88 B   3.07 B   3.31 B 
Transmission  Speed, MPH B   Speed, MPH B   Speed, MPH B   Speed, MPH B 
CloseB B B B B B B B B B B B B  1  65 B   61 B   58 B   53 B 
RatioB B B B B B B B B B B B B B  2  89 B   84 B   79 B   73 B  
3  117 B 
111 B   104 B   96 B  
4  151 B   143 B   134 B   124 B 
WideB B B B B B B B B B B B B B  1  52 B   49 B   46 B   43 B 
RatioB B B B B B B B B B B B B B  2  78 B   74 B   69 B   64 B  
3  111 B 
105 B   98 B   91 B  
4  151 B   143 B   134 B   124 B  
5
SpeedB B B B B B B B B  1  51 B   48 B   45 B   42 B  
2  78 B   73 B   69 B 
64 B  
3  113 B   106 B   100 B   93 B  
4  151 B   143 B   134 B   124 B  
5
189 B   178 B   167 B   155 B  
RPM in top gear  B  B   B  B   B  B   B  B 
per MPH  4 spd 5 spd  4 spd 5 spd  4 spd 5 spd  4 spd 5 spd 
10  398 318  421
337  449 359  484 387 
20  795 636  842 673  897 718  967 774 
30  1193 954
1263 1010  1346 1077  1451 1161 
40  1590 1272  1684 1347  1795 1436  1935
1548 
50  1988 1590  2104 1684  2243 1795  2419 1935 
60  2385 1908  2525 2020
2692 2154  2902 2322 
70  2783 2226  2946 2357  3141 2513  3386 2709 
80  3180
2544  3367 2694  3589 2871  3870 3096 
90  3578 2862  3788 3030  4038 3230
4354 3483 
100  3975 3180  4209 3367  4487 3589  4837 3870 
110  4373 3498
4630 3704  4935 3948  5321 4257 
120  4770 3816  5051 4041  5384 4307  5805
4644 
130  5168 4134  5472 4377  5833 4666  6289 5031 
140  5565 4452  5893
4714  6281 5025  6772 5418 
150  5963 4770  6313 5051  6730 5384  7256 5805
B 
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