I would like to suggest/request holding the United during the weekend before
or following the SAAC event. Then I might be able to afford to attend both.
I would also like to suggest having a modified Alpine or Alger class. Of
course I'm getting the impression that most California Tiger Clubs are too
elitist for that.
Thanks,
Mark
>From: sosnaenergyconsulting@home.com
>Reply-To: sosnaenergyconsulting@home.com
>To: SJC Worldwide <ssage@socal.rr.com>
>CC: Alpine Mailing List <alpines@autox.team.net>, Tiger Mailing List
><tigers@autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: Tigers United wishlist . . .
>Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:07:20 -0700
>
>Jane:
>A reasoned, well thought out response!
>So, is there an approximate timeframe yet (month, week)? I've got some
>long-range stuff planned for next summer, and I really want to be at the
>United too!!!
>
>Regards
>
>David Sosna
>
>SJC Worldwide wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everyone:
> >
> > As someone who has chaired (along with husband Steve), a Tigers United
>event, I
> > would like to answer some of the comments that have been offered. These
>are all
> > valid and in an ideal world and the perfect venue with a lot of time
>available
> > and unlimited budget they could probably happen. But, this is not the
>case. My
> > answers are offered only as an explanation and are not meant to be
>critical.
> > Furthermore, those of us that work year after year at putting together
>these
> > events could use some new suggestions and volunteers. I apologize in
>advance if
> > this information is redundant to any of the members of the list.
> >
> > The West Coast Tigers United has been mostly alternating between STOA
>and CAT
> > for many years. By tradition, the center piece of the event is the
>awarding of
> > the Lord Rootes trophy to a Tiger. The scores to award this trophy are
>from 5
> > events that must be held: Concours, Rallye, Quiz, Most Popular Vote and
> > Autocross. This all must take place within a 2-3 day period and
>includes
> > registration, banquets, lunches, parts swap, set up, tabulation of
>scores, etc.,
> > etc., etc., There is an incredible amount of detail that goes into it
>and could
> > not be done without the volunteer help of many members who do this in
>addition
> > to living their normal lives. Also, the event must pay for itself and
>in order
> > to make it feasible for members to attend we try to keep the costs
>reasonable,
> > therefore the budget is tight.
> >
> > 1. I have forgotten what the altitude is at Mammoth, but not too many
>people had
> > problems in 1990. Big Bear was ok and it certainly was not as bad as
>SUNI I at
> > Snowmass in 1989. Just a little jetting adjustment if necessary....and
>for the
> > couple of owners that have gone to fuel injection, so much the better.
> >
> > 2. Concours. I have not seen the Shelby Club or SAAC judging and
>therefore
> > cannot comment on them. But we only have one half to two thirds of a day
>to put
> > it on. The event would just not be able to afford paying professional
>judges
> > and there are too many cars to spend that much time. It is incredibly
>difficult
> > to get people to "volunteer" to judge (Steve Alcala bribed people with a
>pizza
> > dinner at Big Bear), much less chair the concours. And chairing includes
>writing
> > the concours forms, tabulation, answering questions, etc., etc., etc.
>Also,
> > again by tradition, the concours has been open to all Tigers whether
>they are
> > Stock, Personalized or Modified. The concours judging and scoring is
>suppose to
> > take these differences into account so that the final tabulation for the
>Lord
> > Rootes trophy is as fair as possible. Maybe a good compromise would be
>to
> > publish the concours criteria 4 months in advance, but that is just a
> > suggestion.
> >
> > 3. STOA sponsored events usually are only Tiger oriented and TAC is
>required for
> > trophies. CAT sponsored events are a little more open and usually other
>Rootes
> > cars are welcome with separate class and trophies for them. They do not
>compete
> > with Tigers in Concours or Autocross and are not eligible for Lord
>Rootes. As
> > far as TAC requirement is concerned, that will be up to this year's
>chairman,
> > Bill Graff and CAT. I remember at Big Bear that although we did not
>require TAC
> > we did request that only original Tigers should compete for Tiger
>trophies.
> >
> > 4. I believe that TAC does offer classes on a limited basis and you
>should
> > probably contact Tom Hall if you are interested.
> >
> > Tigers United has been a very traditional, wonderful event. It came
>about almost
> > 30 years ago and took on this form with the help of Ian Garrad. It is
>generally
> > an informal opportunity for owners to have a perfect car weekend where
>it is all
> > you talk about with like-minded people. That is not to say that it isn't
>time to
> > look at making some changes and I believe that some fresh opinions and
> > VOLUNTEERISM would be appreciated. Sorry for yelling that word, but I
>think
> > everyone will get my point.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jane Sage
> >
> > Tim Jordan wrote:
> >
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > > Add to your wishlist:
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