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Great write up Kevin. I'm not clear why you would go with the distributor
first and not plugs first. If the plugs are sparking would that not mean
the distributor is working?
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 8:31=E2=80=AFPM Kevin Valentine via Spridgets <
spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Here's something I wrote a few years ago, maybe it can help;
>
> I always do checks for spark BEFORE I do the checks for Fuel delivery.
> You don't want any stray fuel vapors anywhere near an area where you will
> be creating a spark.
>
> Note; More than once, I have witnessed an A-series distributor that has
> dislodged itself from the hole in the engine block due to a distributor
> clamp that was not tightened properly. Checking to make sure the
> distributor is held securely in the clamp would be well advised before yo=
u
> check for other electrical problems.
>
> Another important note; Before you check electrical connections under th=
e
> bonnet of your car, MAKE CERTAIN YOU HAVE NO FUEL LEAKS.
>
> To check for spark. First check for spark at the points. Remove the
> distributor cap and watch the points while you turn the engine over with
> the starter. Make certain the ignition is switched on if you have a
> separate switch for the ignition on your car. If you can not see the
> points while you are turning the engine over with the starter (you are by
> yourself and have no one to help you), switch on the ignition and flick
> the points with a small screwdriver (or your finger) to see if you get a
> spark when the points are separated. If you have no spark at the points=
,
> check for loose wires to the coil and/or distributor. The problem may b=
e
> in the electrical wiring at your ignition switch. You can hot-wire the
> coil with a short piece of wire. (I carry a jump wire with alligator cli=
ps
> on each end). On a negative ground car, connect the jump wire to the
> positive side of the coil and to the positive post on the battery and che=
ck
> for spark at the points again. If you still have no spark at the points,
> the problem may either be the condenser or the coil.
>
> If you have spark at the points, - next check for spark at one of the
> spark plugs. The easiest way to do this is to remove one of the spark
> plugs and with the ignition wire for that spark plug wire attached to the
> plug, hold the spark plug in contact with the engine and turn the engine
> with the starter. You should see a spark at the gap in the spark plug. =
If
> you have spark at the points but no spark at the plug you may have a faul=
ty
> distributor cap or rotor. If you have a spark at the spark plug, it's ti=
me
> to check for fuel supply. Put the distributor cap back on and re-install
> the spark plug. You don't want any stray sparks while you are checking f=
or
> fuel supply.
>
> To check for fuel delivery. Disconnect the fuel line at the carburetor
> and activate the fuel pump. (On cars with electric pumps, turning on the
> ignition will accomplish this. On cars with mechanical fuel pumps you wi=
ll
> need to turn the engine with the starter). If you have no fuel being
> delivered at the fuel line you disconnected from the carb, you may either
> be; out of fuel, your fuel pump stopped working, or you have a blockage =
in
> the tank or at the fuel filter. Another possibility is a broken fuel lin=
e
> between the tank and the engine.
>
>
> Kevin V.
> Tuscarora, Pa
> ReplyForward
> Add reaction
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 8:18=E2=80=AFPM Mark Haynes via Spridgets <
> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Hey folks,
>> I've gotten to the point of asking for thoughts on my new 948 engine.
>> The specifics of the new engine are as follows:
>> 948 .020, crowned pistons, 12G202 head milled 0.185" (touted to be a Dav=
e
>> Tabor head) Rimflow valves (1.25 I, 1.06 E), Vernier timing gear, SPVP3 =
cam
>> timed to 102.5 degrees ATDC, Jeff Schlemmer 25D distributor, APT lifters=
,
>> 1.3:1 rockers ,ceramic coated piston crowns and combustion chambers.
>> I finally got it installed with the new Gerard Garage 5 Speed, and I hav=
e
>> spark, Ignition timing is set per Jeff Schlemmer, compression (when
>> cranking only) 125 psi in all cylinders, carbs are getting fuel.
>> I get no Bang, Pop, Fart,nothing from the engine when trying to start,
>> even with starting fluid (checking that it wasn't fuel delivery) or
>> rotating the dizzy, I tried swapping plug wires to prove it wasn't ignit=
ion
>> 180 out or 1 & 4 wrong or 2 & 3 wrong.
>> I brought in a friend who's a pro mechanic and he's as stumped as I am.
>> I'm looking for any possibilities,
>> Just to be sure, this is not even close to my first engine build nor my
>> first 948 build. I know how to time cams and build engines, but this has=
me
>> stumped and I feel really dumb, so I'm leaning on you all for some thoug=
hts
>> and support.
>> God, I wish Frank were still here, he'd have the answer in a flash.=F0=
=9F=A5=BA
>> TIA,
>> Mark Haynes
>> It only goes one way- Pay It Forward
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Great write up Kevin.=C2=A0 I'm not clear why=C2=A0 yo=
u would go with the distributor first and not plugs first.=C2=A0 If the plu=
gs are sparking would that not mean the distributor is working?</div><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul =
21, 2024 at 8:31=E2=80=AFPM Kevin Valentine via Spridgets <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:spridgets@autox.team.net">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Mar=
k,<div><br></div><div><div style=3D"border-left:none;padding:0px;display:fl=
ex;font-family:"Google Sans",Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,s=
ans-serif;font-size:medium"><div style=3D"margin:0px;min-width:0px;padding:=
0px 0px 20px;width:initial"><div><div id=3D"m_1051117010416833774gmail-:2tc=
" style=3D"direction:ltr;margin:8px 0px 0px;padding:0px;font-size:0.875rem;=
overflow-x:hidden"><div id=3D"m_1051117010416833774gmail-:2si" style=3D"dir=
ection:initial;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;f=
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l;font-stretch:normal;font-size:small;line-height:1.5;font-family:Arial,Hel=
vetica,sans-serif;overflow:auto hidden"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Here's so=
mething=C2=A0I wrote=C2=A0a few years ago, maybe it can help;</div><div><br=
></div><div><div>I always do checks for spark BEFORE I do the checks for Fu=
el delivery.=C2=A0 You don't want any stray fuel vapors anywhere near a=
n area where you will be creating a spark.</div><div><br></div><div>Note; =
=C2=A0More than once, I have witnessed an A-series distributor that has dis=
lodged itself from the hole in the engine block due to a distributor clamp =
that was not tightened properly.=C2=A0 Checking to make sure the distributo=
r is held securely in the clamp would be well advised before you check for =
other electrical problems.</div><div><br></div><div>Another important note;=
=C2=A0Before you check electrical connections under the bonnet of your car=
,=C2=A0<font color=3D"#FF0000">MAKE CERTAIN YOU HAVE NO FUEL LEAKS</font>.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>To check for spark.=C2=A0 First check for spark at=
the points.=C2=A0 Remove the distributor cap and watch the points while yo=
u turn the engine over with the starter.=C2=A0 Make certain the ignition is=
switched on if you have a separate switch for the ignition on your car.=C2=
=A0 If you can not see the points while you are turning the engine over wit=
h the starter (you are by yourself and have no one to help you), =C2=A0swit=
ch on the ignition and flick the points with a small screwdriver (or your f=
inger) to see if you get a spark when the points are separated. =C2=A0 If y=
ou have no spark at the points, check for loose wires to the coil and/or di=
stributor. =C2=A0 The problem may be in the electrical wiring at your ignit=
ion switch.=C2=A0 You can hot-wire the coil with a short piece of wire. =C2=
=A0(I carry a jump wire with alligator clips on each end).=C2=A0 On a negat=
ive ground car, connect the =C2=A0jump wire to the positive side of the coi=
l and to the positive post on the battery and check for spark at the points=
again.=C2=A0 If you still have no spark at the points, the problem may eit=
her be the condenser or=C2=A0the coil.</div><div><br></div><div>If you have=
spark at the points, - next check for spark at one of the spark plugs.=C2=
=A0 The easiest way to do this is to remove one of the spark plugs and with=
the ignition wire for that spark plug wire attached to the plug, hold the =
spark plug in contact with the engine and turn the engine with the starter.=
=C2=A0 You should see a spark at the gap in the spark plug.=C2=A0 If you ha=
ve spark at the points but no spark at the plug you may have a faulty distr=
ibutor cap or rotor.=C2=A0 If you have a spark at the spark plug, it's =
time to check for fuel supply.=C2=A0 Put the distributor cap back on and re=
-install the spark plug.=C2=A0 You don't want any stray sparks while yo=
u are checking for fuel supply.</div><div><br></div><div>To check for fuel =
delivery.=C2=A0 Disconnect the fuel line at the carburetor and activate the=
fuel pump. =C2=A0(On cars with electric pumps, turning on the ignition wil=
l accomplish this.=C2=A0 On cars with mechanical fuel pumps you will need t=
o turn the engine with the starter). =C2=A0 If you have no fuel being deliv=
ered at the fuel line you disconnected from the carb, you may either be; ou=
t of fuel, =C2=A0your fuel pump stopped working, or you have a blockage in =
the tank or at the fuel filter.=C2=A0 Another possibility is a broken fuel =
line between the tank and the engine.</div><div></div><div><br></div></div>=
<div><br></div><div>Kevin V.</div><div>Tuscarora, Pa</div></div><div></div>=
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04,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hey folks,</div><div>I'=
ve gotten to the point of asking for thoughts on my new 948 engine.</div><d=
iv>The specifics of the new engine are as follows:</div><div>948 .020, crow=
ned pistons, 12G202 head milled 0.185" (touted to be a Dave Tabor head=
) Rimflow valves (1.25 I, 1.06 E), Vernier timing gear, SPVP3 cam timed to =
102.5 degrees ATDC, Jeff Schlemmer 25D distributor, APT lifters, 1.3:1 rock=
ers ,ceramic coated
piston crowns and combustion chambers.</div><div>I finally got it installe=
d with the new Gerard Garage 5 Speed, and I have spark, Ignition timing is =
set per Jeff Schlemmer, compression (when cranking only) 125 psi in all cyl=
inders, carbs are getting fuel.</div><div>I get no Bang, Pop, Fart,nothing =
from the engine when trying to start, even with starting fluid (checking th=
at it wasn't fuel delivery) or rotating the dizzy, I tried swapping plu=
g wires to prove it wasn't ignition 180 out or 1 & 4 wrong or 2 &am=
p; 3 wrong. <br></div><div>I brought in a friend who's a pro mechanic a=
nd he's as stumped as I am. I'm looking for any possibilities, <br>=
</div><div>Just to be sure, this is not even close to my first engine build=
nor my first 948 build. I know how to time cams and build engines, but thi=
s has me stumped and I feel really dumb, so I'm leaning on you all for =
some thoughts and support.</div><div>God, I wish Frank were still here, he&=
#39;d have the answer in a flash.=F0=9F=A5=BA<br></div><div>TIA,<br></div><=
div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>M=
ark Haynes<br></div>It only goes one way- Pay It Forward<br></div></div></d=
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