Re: [Spridgets] Excessive Crankcase pressure

[Rick Fisk via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>]

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Brian,

The original factory setup with those carbs is a hose from the timing chain c=
over canister directly to the carbs, no PCV valve.  You don't have a timing c=
hain cover canister, so I would run a hose from the fuel pump boss to a "Y" a=
nd then to the carbs.  That type of PCV system works best out of all that BL=
 used to reduce crankcase pressures and leaks.  Easy enough to try and you c=
an always remove it if it doesn't work.  Moss sells the Y piece.

At Gingerman Raceway last month one of the guys had to replace a broken rock=
er shaft on his Bugeye engine.   He just removed the pedastals, replaced the=
 broken shaft, and then retorqued the pedastal bolts.  Ran great the rest of=
 the weekend and whipped my butt as usual.  :-)

Rick

> On Jun 4, 2022, at 1:47 PM, brian S via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.ne=
t> wrote:
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> It's been on ongoing thing, but I think it got worse last year.=20
> For the 1st few years I ran it, I had the Breather off the Fuel pump boss j=
ust vented to a tube to the ground.
> And a Breather Filter on Valve Cover which was always getting saturated wi=
th oil.
> Kept noticing puddles under the car when parked. last year I decided to ge=
t a Catch Can to try and prevent that.
>=20
> Pretty sure it has a rear Seal kit installed on it. Haven't noticed a lot o=
f oil from that area.
> I tried to Vent the Valve Cover to a port on the intake. Realized that was=
 a mistake, as it smoked like CRAZY.
>=20
> Rick, it does have ports on the Carbs, right now they are just joined with=
 a Hose.
>=20
> I haven't tried going from the VC to a Metal PCV can to the Ports on the C=
arbs yet.
> I'll have to find a Y hose piece.
>=20
> Ron,=20
> Guess it's possible that it broke the inner spring quite some time ago and=

> it's been just using the outer spring on that cylinder until the Retainer f=
inally gave up.
>=20
> Side note,
> Ordered new Higher rate Springs and Hardened Steel Retainers.=20
> Since the Rocker shaft and Rockers have to be removed and the 4 Head nuts h=
ave to be removed,
> should I leave the other 5 tight or loosen them slightly?=20
> If I leave them tight, when re-assembling, loosen and retorque all of them=
?
>=20
> Thanks all!
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Brian S.
> Bugeyeracer resto'ed Thanks to Frank C.!
> From: Kevin Valentine <kevinv1275@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 5:32 PM
> To: brian S <bugeye15@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Excessive Crankcase pressure
> =20
> Brian,
>=20
> Is this a new development or has this engine always had this problem?
>=20
> Are you having any leakage from the rear scroll "seal"?  (Or do you have a=
 proper seal back there)?
>=20
> It sounds like you need a little vacuum on the engine.
>=20
> Can you set up a vacuum line from the valve cover to the intake manifold t=
hat would replace the line that is usually from the timing cover to the inta=
ke manifold?  It shouldn't take too much vacuum to relieve the pressure in t=
he engine. Especially if you have an otherwise healthy engine.
>=20
>=20
> Kevin V.
> Tuscarora, Pa
>=20
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 5:11 PM brian S via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team=
.net> wrote:
> HS2s
> .030 1275 kent 266, 1.5 rockers, 9.75:1, LCB, 60-70 psi oil pressure hot a=
t speed,=20
> no vent at Timing cover due to Belt Drive
>=20
> Brian S.
> Bugeyeracer resto'ed Thanks to Frank C.!
> From: Rick Fisk <refisk@chartermi.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 2:47 PM
> To: brian S <bugeye15@hotmail.com>
> Cc: spridgets list <spridgets@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Excessive Crankcase pressure
> =20
> Brian,
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> My tiny little brain can't remember, but what carb(s) are you running?
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> Rick
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>> On Jun 3, 2022, at 2:06 PM, brian S via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.n=
et> wrote:
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>> On an unrelated note, to my broken valve spring retainer, I think.
>>=20
>> This 1275 has had Excessive Crankcase pressure for a while and seems to b=
e getting worse.
>> It has a breather off the old fuel pump boss going to a catch can.
>> Valve cover has a breather to atmosphere and vented cap.
>> Highway driving, 65 mph, which is about 4200 in my car, will fill the 1 p=
int catch can in about 50 miles!
>> It will also try to push the Dip Stick out
>> Driving around town/back roads, varied rpm, it's not too bad.=20
>> It will take a while to fill the catch can.
>> Compression is 172-180 in all 4 cylinders. So I thought must be rings.
>> Did a Leakdown test.
>> TDC, throttle open, Valve cover off, Rad cap off, dip stick out, gauge se=
t to 100psi.
>> Has 0 leakdown in all 4. 0!=20
>> WTH?
>> Car runs great, very good power, tho it does smoke out the tail pipe some=
.
>> Could it be bore taper? i.e. Seal at top is good but excessive space at t=
he bottom =C2=BD or so of bore??
>> Can that be checked w/o pulling the head?
>>=20
>> Thanks in advance for any insight.
>>=20
>> Brian S.
>> Bugeyeracer resto'ed Thanks to Frank C.!
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D=
"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div dir=3D"ltr">Brian=
,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><meta http-equiv=3D"conte=
nt-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">The original factory setup with those carbs is a hose from the ti=
ming chain cover canister directly to the carbs, no PCV valve. &nbsp;You don=
't have a timing chain cover canister, so I would run a hose from the fuel p=
ump boss to a "Y" and then to the carbs. &nbsp;That type of PCV system works=
 best out of all that BL used to reduce crankcase pressures and leaks. &nbsp=
;Easy enough to try and you can always remove it if it doesn't work. &nbsp;M=
oss sells the Y piece.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">At G=
ingerman Raceway last month one of the guys had to replace a broken rocker s=
haft on his Bugeye engine. &nbsp; He just removed the pedastals, replaced th=
e broken shaft, and then retorqued the pedastal bolts. &nbsp;Ran great the r=
est of the weekend and whipped my butt as usual. &nbsp;:-)</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Rick</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite">On Jun 4, 2022, at 1:47 PM, brian S via Spridgets &lt;spridgets=
@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
It's been on ongoing thing, but I think it got worse last year. <br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
For the 1<span><sup>st</sup>&nbsp;few years I ran it, I had the Breather off=
 the Fuel pump boss just vented to a tube to the ground.</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
<span>And a Breather Filter on Valve Cover which was always getting saturate=
d with oil.<br>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
Kept noticing puddles under the car when parked. last year I decided to get a=
 Catch Can to try and prevent that.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
Pretty sure it has a rear Seal kit installed on it. Haven't noticed a lot of=
 oil from that area.<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
I tried to Vent the Valve Cover to a port on the intake. Realized that was a=
 mistake, as it smoked like CRAZY.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
Rick, it does have ports on the Carbs, right now they are just joined with a=
 Hose.</div>
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
I haven't tried going from the VC to a Metal PCV can to the Ports on the Car=
bs yet.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
I'll have to find a Y hose piece.</div>
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
Ron, <br>
</div>
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
Guess it's possible that it broke the inner spring quite some time ago and</=
div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
it's been just using the outer spring on that cylinder until the Retainer fi=
nally gave up.<br>
</div>
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
Side note,</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
Ordered new Higher rate Springs and Hardened Steel Retainers. <br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
Since the Rocker shaft and Rockers have to be removed and the 4 Head nuts ha=
ve to be removed,</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
should I leave the other 5 tight or loosen them slightly? <br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
If I leave them tight, when re-assembling, loosen and retorque all of them?<=
/div>
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
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</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
Thanks all!<br>
</div>
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
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<div>Brian S.<br>
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<div>Bugeyeracer resto'ed Thanks to Frank C.!<br>
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le=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Kevin Valentine &lt;kev=
inv1275@gmail.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 3, 2022 5:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> brian S &lt;bugeye15@hotmail.com&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Spridgets] Excessive Crankcase pressure</font>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Brian,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Is this a new development&nbsp;or has this engine always had this probl=
em?<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Are you having any leakage from the rear scroll "seal"?&nbsp; (Or do yo=
u have a proper seal back there)?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>It sounds like you need a little vacuum&nbsp;on the engine.</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Can you set up a vacuum line from the valve cover to the intake manifol=
d that would replace the line that is usually from the timing cover to the i=
ntake manifold?&nbsp; It shouldn't take too much vacuum to relieve the press=
ure in the engine. Especially if you
 have an otherwise healthy engine.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kevin V.</div>
<div>Tuscarora, Pa</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"x_gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 5:11 PM brian=
 S via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>spridgets@a=
utox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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HS2s</div>
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r:rgb(0,0,0)">
.030 1275 kent 266, 1.5 rockers, 9.75:1, LCB, 60-70 psi oil pressure hot at s=
peed,
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0)">
no vent at Timing cover due to Belt Drive<br>
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r:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
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<div>Brian S.<br>
</div>
<div>Bugeyeracer resto'ed Thanks to Frank C.!<br>
</div>
</div>
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>refisk@chartermi.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 3, 2022 2:47 PM<br>
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ank">bugeye15@hotmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Spridgets] Excessive Crankcase pressure</font>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Brian,</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">My tiny little brain can't remember, but what carb(s) are y=
ou running?</div>
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</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Rick</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jun 3, 2022, at 2:06 PM, brian S via Spridgets &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">spridgets@a=
utox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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r:rgb(0,0,0)">
On an unrelated&nbsp;note, to my broken valve spring retainer, I think.</div=
>
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r:rgb(0,0,0)">
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This 1275 has had Excessive Crankcase pressure for a while and seems to be g=
etting worse.</div>
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r:rgb(0,0,0)">
It has a breather off the old fuel pump boss going to a catch can.</div>
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r:rgb(0,0,0)">
Valve cover has a breather to atmosphere and vented cap.</div>
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r:rgb(0,0,0)">
Highway driving, 65 mph, which is about 4200 in my car, will fill the 1 pint=
 catch can in about 50 miles!</div>
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r:rgb(0,0,0)">
It will also try to push the Dip Stick out<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0)">
Driving around town/back roads, varied rpm, it's not too bad. <br>
</div>
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r:rgb(0,0,0)">
It will take a while to fill the catch can.</div>
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r:rgb(0,0,0)">
Compression is 172-180 in all 4 cylinders. So I thought must be rings.</div>=

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r:rgb(0,0,0)">
Did a Leakdown test.<br>
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r:rgb(0,0,0)">
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r:rgb(0,0,0)">
TDC, throttle open, Valve cover off, Rad cap off, dip stick out, gauge set t=
o 100psi.<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0)">
Has 0 leakdown in all 4. 0! <br>
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r:rgb(0,0,0)">
WTH?</div>
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r:rgb(0,0,0)">
Car runs great, very good power, tho it does smoke out the tail pipe some.</=
div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0)">
Could it be bore taper? i.e. Seal at top is good but excessive space at the b=
ottom =C2=BD or so of bore??</div>
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r:rgb(0,0,0)">
Can that be checked w/o pulling the head?</div>
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r:rgb(0,0,0)">
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