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Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Manifold flange thickness
From: Rick Fisk via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 18:04:24 -0400
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Since all 5 ports are right in a row only one gasket is used.  Even if separ=
ate gaskets were used everything would have to be the same thickness because=
 on 4 of the studs the nuts and washers are shared between two ports.

Sent from my keyboard

>> On Sep 5, 2020, at 5:43 PM, derf <derf247@gmail.com> wrote:
> =EF=BB=BF
> I sit corrected.  It's been a while since I had a manifold off.  Seems lik=
e my Titan single HIF6 intake had a separate gasked, though. =20
>=20
>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 4:39 PM Weslake1330 <weslake1330@gmail.com> wrote:=

>> On the A-series it should be a single gasket that seals both the inlet an=
d the exhaust ports at the head.
>>=20
>>> On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 at 22:37, derf <derf247@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I would carefully grind washers.  Even if both flanges are the correct t=
hickness you will most likely have gaskets of differing thicknesses. =20
>>>=20
>>>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 4:31 PM Weslake1330 via Spridgets <spridgets@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> I would contact Maniflow and ask them what the correct thickness is to e=
stablish if the exhaust is incorrect or if the inlet manifold is correct and=
 then invite them to send a replacement part.  I'd also want to be sure that=
 something that is claimed to be made by Maniflow really is.
>>>>=20
>>>> Regards
>>>>=20
>>>> Daniel S
>>>>=20
>>>>> On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 at 20:12, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.=
team.net> wrote:
>>>>> Send it all back to Maniflow and tell them to get their shxt together.=
  No excuse for this kind of BS.  They make both parts and they don't match?=
  Ridiculous. =20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Have you contacted them?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Rick
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Sent from my keyboard
>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> On Sep 5, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets=
@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>>>>> Have the exhaust faces machined down 35 thou.  Being both Maniflo the=
y should have matched thicknan.  I have the LCB header (I don't know who mak=
es it) on my 1275 and a Titan intake manifold for my single HIF44 carb.  The=
y match perfectly. Supposed to be a standard thickness for the flanges.=20
>>>>>> Mike MacLean
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Saturday, September 5, 2020, 11:22:59 AM PDT, Hal Faulkner via Spr=
idgets <spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Listerati,
>>>>>> Trying to get off my rear end and make some progress in my long term o=
verhaul of FROG AYE, my 1960 Frogeye. The engine is now a 20 over 1275 with s=
ome porting, oversize valves and VP-SP3 cam. I have replaced the old 3 to on=
e exhaust manifold with a Maniflow LCB, the intake manifold is also by Manif=
low, for the HS-2 carbs that came with the car.  The concern I have is that t=
he flange is thicker on the exhaust than on the intake.  Torquing the manifo=
lds until the exhaust just touches the block (no gasket for this measurement=
) leaves the intake manifold with about 35 thousands play.  Of course, this c=
an be taken up in the gasket, but that leaves the washer on the intake side (=
of the common studs) sitting at a noticeable angle, which ,if nothing else, d=
oesn't look very cool.  The attached photo shows about .035" of feeler betwe=
en the washero and the intake manifold flange.  The exhaust manifold is snug=
. =20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> What would you do? =20
>>>>>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"><meta http-equiv=3D"conten=
t-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Since all 5 ports are right i=
n a row only one gasket is used. &nbsp;Even if separate gaskets were used ev=
erything would have to be the same thickness because on 4 of the studs the n=
uts and washers are shared between two ports.<div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent f=
rom my keyboard</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 5=
, 2020, at 5:43 PM, derf &lt;derf247@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquot=
e></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr"=
>I sit corrected.&nbsp; It's been a while since I had a manifold off.&nbsp; S=
eems like my&nbsp;Titan single HIF6 intake had a separate gasked, though.&nb=
sp;&nbsp;</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_attr">On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 4:39 PM Weslake1330 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wes=
lake1330@gmail.com">weslake1330@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px so=
lid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">On the A-series it s=
hould be a single gasket that seals both the inlet and the exhaust ports at t=
he head.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 at 22:37, derf &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:derf247@gmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank">derf247@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px so=
lid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I would carefully gr=
ind washers.&nbsp; Even if both flanges are the correct thickness you will m=
ost likely have gaskets of differing&nbsp;thicknesses.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Sep=
 5, 2020 at 4:31 PM Weslake1330 via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridget=
s@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<=
br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I=
 would contact Maniflow and ask them what the correct thickness is to establ=
ish if the exhaust is incorrect or if the inlet manifold is correct and then=
 invite them to send a replacement part.&nbsp; I'd also want to be sure that=
 something that is claimed to be made by Maniflow really is.<div><br></div><=
div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Daniel S</div></div><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 at 20:1=
2, Rick Fisk via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; t=
arget=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px so=
lid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Send it all back to=
 Maniflow and tell them to get their shxt together.&nbsp; No excuse for this=
 kind of BS.&nbsp; They make both parts and they don't match?&nbsp; Ridiculo=
us. &nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Have you contacted them?<br><div><br></div><di=
v>Rick<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my keyboard</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 5, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Michael MacLean via=
 Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
>spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div style=3D"font-family:&quot;t=
imes new roman&quot;,&quot;new york&quot;,times,serif;font-size:16px"><div><=
/div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Have the exhaust faces machined down 35 thou.&nbsp;=
 Being both Maniflo they should have matched thicknan.&nbsp; I have the LCB h=
eader (I don't know who makes it) on my 1275 and a Titan intake manifold for=
 my single HIF44 carb.&nbsp; They match perfectly. Supposed to be a standard=
 thickness for the flanges. <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Mike MacLean<br></div=
><div><br></div>
       =20
        </div><div id=3D"gmail-m_1978463200746051271gmail-m_2882220137707801=
936gmail-m_8194808682426589770gmail-m_-5428346373491654872gmail-m_-895956219=
2658747527yahoo_quoted_9803739150">
            <div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,A=
rial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
               =20
                <div>
                    On Saturday, September 5, 2020, 11:22:59 AM PDT, Hal Fau=
lkner via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D=
"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"gmail-m_1978463200746051271gmail-m_288222013=
7707801936gmail-m_8194808682426589770gmail-m_-5428346373491654872gmail-m_-89=
59562192658747527yiv2032276708"><div dir=3D"ltr">Listerati,<div>Trying to ge=
t off my rear end and make some progress in my long term overhaul of FROG AY=
E, my 1960 Frogeye. The engine is now a 20 over 1275 with some porting, over=
size valves and VP-SP3 cam. I have replaced the old 3 to one exhaust manifol=
d&nbsp;with a Maniflow LCB, the intake manifold is also by Maniflow, for the=
 HS-2 carbs that came with the car.&nbsp; The concern I have is that the fla=
nge is thicker on the exhaust than on the intake.&nbsp; Torquing the manifol=
ds until the exhaust just touches the block (no gasket for this measurement)=
 leaves the intake manifold with about 35 thousands play.&nbsp; Of course, t=
his can be taken up in the gasket, but that leaves the washer on the intake s=
ide (of the common studs) sitting at a noticeable angle, which ,if nothing e=
lse, doesn't look very cool.&nbsp; The attached photo shows about .035" of f=
eeler between the washero and the intake manifold flange.&nbsp; The exhaust m=
anifold is snug.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>What would you do?&nbs=
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