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Mike,
That makes a lot of sense, what size is that cap and are they standard?
Now I see why I have all that air and blew out that wheel cylinder, I had
the drum off when I bleed it. Whoops getting back to the books and school
of hard knocks. What a mistake I made.
Linda
On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 10:27 AM Mike Myers <mdmyersct@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lin,
>
> If you press on the brake pedal with the shoes and springs missing that
> wheel cylinder will have no resistance and the piston may blow out past t=
he
> seal. You may want to disconnect brake line from that cylinder and cap it
> off so pressure will build up to the other wheels and give you some brake=
s
> to move it around
>
> Mike Myers
>
> On Jun 28, 2019, at 9:39 AM, Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets <
> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Yes, yes and yes, Lester, I tried everything on the hoses to the Mityvac
> pump and I never let the MC go dry. With a new 1/4" hose to the vac it wa=
s
> better but too late too much air got in. Yes I turned the adjuster to cle=
ar
> the pads as I do understand how to adjust that screw. Although when I get
> all my new parts I'll require a list to learn that adjustment.
>
> Three new questions:
>
> 1. If I remove these drivers pads & the spring parts and put the drum bac=
k
> on and wheel to roll her what could happen if I press the brake peddle wi=
ll
> I brake anything? Will the calipers up front and rear passengers pads sto=
p
> the car so I can use engine power to move it and not hurt my back?
>
> 2. How do I know what size this wheel cylinder is to buy another for
> temporary use till Gerard's parts arrive? Victoria British catalog lists
> several sizes as per engine size & I did not install these but I do have =
an
> upgraded 1275 and front disc brakes so I'm assuming they are for 1275 (se=
e
> pics attached).
>
> 3. The front calipers are making the front wheels tight to rotate but wit=
h
> wheels on I can rotate, do I unbolt the calipers to inspect as I recall
> doing this before with my Spitfire back in the day and I press the pads i=
n
> to get back on the disc.
>
> Again thanks for all your help Lester and to all the List,
> Linda
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 8:51 AM JMFangio <oldsaabguy@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> First, using your =E2=80=9Coh so shitty=E2=80=99 Mityvac, you did put so=
me grease around
>> the nipple being bled right? It=E2=80=99s important as air will come in=
through
>> the threads. In fact air coming in is most likely from there or from th=
e
>> master if you ran out of fluid. I haven=E2=80=99t had much luck with Mi=
tyvacs
>> either FWIW.
>>
>> Second, yup, put the drum on and roll away.
>>
>> Third, just to be sure, the adjuster on the wheel you are putting back o=
n
>> needs to be all the way in, second getting the shoes aligned perfectly t=
o
>> get the drum back on takes a little fiddling, if there is rust on the ed=
ge
>> of the drum (where it first contacts the shoes going on ) that won=E2=80=
=99t help
>> things.
>>
>> Lastly, the wheel cylinders are inexpensive, get new ones.
>>
>> Lester
>>
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets <
>> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> List,
>> I'm waiting for all new parts from Gerard so that is the good news, yes
>> just be patient Linda. Below starts my bad news of not being successful
>> which seems to be my biggest problem being "defeated" when working on an=
y
>> car project especially a Spridget.
>>
>> While I'm waiting for my parts to be built from Gerard I wanted to get m=
y
>> Spridget out of the driveway so I can get the VW bus out of the garage a=
nd
>> in turn get my motorcycle out to ride with my older brother as he will b=
e
>> leaving in 8 days for his cross country Harley Davidson trip to our fami=
ly
>> in California. Below is my hell with brake bleeding.
>>
>> I decided to continue bleeding with the "oh so shitty" Mityvac bleeder
>> device as the brakes were hard but went to the floor after holding for
>> longer periods of time. I cleaned the drums and all the rear parts with
>> Brakcleen and was very happy with the results (I should be grateful for
>> that), I kept getting air coming from the bleeder and hose to the Mityva=
c
>> container which was sucking air and no clamp could control it on the
>> drivers rear wheel cylinder but at least it was clear. Then I went to th=
e
>> passengers side rear, some air although not as much, then off to the
>> passenger front caliper (yes upgraded disc's when I got Pinky in 2006) a=
nd
>> it seemed nice and air free then to the drivers front caliper. When I wa=
s
>> done with the messy job with continuous filling of the MC I still didn't
>> have a firm peddle and somewhat less firm that before I started, (yes do=
n't
>> fix what is not broken).
>>
>> I went to the store got new hose 1/4" clear as I suspected my hose would
>> not keep a seal to the container or the brake nipple. I decided to bleed
>> the way I was successful with the VW bus, a tube in a jar of fluid push
>> peddle hold peddle with a 3/4" dowel and then shut off the nipple. It wa=
s a
>> sloppy nightmare as I saw fluid trickle from the drivers wheel cylinder
>> which now I know was bad too so that I should be grateful for. I was una=
ble
>> to get the massive amounts of air out of the line now and have a very
>> squishy peddle.
>>
>> I cleaned everything up after returning to using the stupid Mityvac agai=
n
>> and now I can't get the drum on the shitty drivers rear wheel as the pad=
s
>> aren't lining up to get the drum on it. Note: I had to use a wheel pulle=
r
>> to remove the drum (with now leaky cylinder) in the first place. After
>> tapping with my lead hammer on the ads to get some kind of alignment to =
get
>> the drum on the spring popped out (long spring has a spring coil on ethe=
r
>> side and length of of rod separating both half's). I got so fed up last
>> night I just cleaned up and hope for some advice.
>>
>> Questions:
>> 1. Can I remove the drum pads from the shitty wheel and put the drum bac=
k
>> on then the rear wheel so I can push the car without breaking anything?
>> I'll assume yes.
>>
>> 2. Can I assume the only way I can get the car to move to the street
>> under it own power and brakes is to try and buy a rear wheel cylinder
>> locally fast to replace the leaker as a temporary fix while waiting for =
the
>> good parts from Gerard then I can get my LBC into the garage and work
>> through the night when the parts arrive, and get that bike out too.
>>
>> 3. Was I supposed to leave the master cylinder cap off when bleeding or
>> put it back on during the bleeding procedure?
>>
>> Thanks guys for all your continued support I really want to succeed with
>> this on my own and most importantly understand my LBC.
>> Linda
>> 62 California Sprite w/front discs "Pinky"
>>
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Mike,<div>That makes a lot of sense, what size is that cap=
and are they standard?=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Now I see why I have=
all that air and blew out that wheel cylinder, I had the drum off when I b=
leed it. Whoops getting back to the books and school of hard knocks. What a=
mistake I made.<div>Linda</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 10:27 AM Mike=
Myers <<a href=3D"mailto:mdmyersct@gmail.com";>mdmyersct@gmail.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color=
:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">Lin,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">If=
you press on the brake pedal with the shoes and springs missing that wheel=
cylinder will have no resistance and the piston may blow out past the seal=
. You may want to disconnect brake line from that cylinder and cap it off s=
o pressure will build up to the other wheels and give you some brakes to mo=
ve it around=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Mike My=
ers</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 28, 2019, at 9:39 AM, Linda Grunthaner=
via Spridgets <<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_b=
lank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, yes and yes, Lester, I tri=
ed everything on the hoses to the Mityvac pump and I never let the MC go dr=
y. With a new 1/4" hose to the vac it was better but too late too much=
air got in. Yes I turned the adjuster to clear the pads as I do understand=
how to adjust that screw. Although when I get all my new parts I'll re=
quire a list to learn that adjustment.<div><br></div><div>Three new questio=
ns:<div><br></div><div>1. If I remove these drivers pads & the spring p=
arts and put the drum back on and wheel to roll her what could happen if I =
press the brake peddle will I brake anything? Will the calipers up front an=
d rear passengers pads stop the car so I can use engine power to move it an=
d not hurt my back?</div><div><br></div><div>2. How do I know what size thi=
s wheel cylinder is to buy another for temporary use till Gerard's part=
s arrive? Victoria British catalog lists several sizes as per engine size &=
amp; I did not install these but I do have an upgraded 1275 and front disc =
brakes so I'm assuming they are for 1275 (see pics attached).=C2=A0</di=
v><div><br></div><div>3. The front calipers are making the front wheels tig=
ht to rotate but with wheels on I can rotate, do I unbolt the calipers to i=
nspect as I recall doing this before with my Spitfire back in the day and I=
press the pads in to get back on the disc.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>=
Again thanks for all your=C2=A0help Lester and to all the List,</div><div>L=
inda</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 8:51 AM JMFangio <<a href=3D"mailto:oldsaabguy@=
comcast.net" target=3D"_blank">oldsaabguy@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204=
);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-whi=
te-space">First, using your =E2=80=9Coh so shitty=E2=80=99 Mityvac, you did=
put some grease around the nipple being bled right?=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s imp=
ortant as air will come in through the threads.=C2=A0 In fact air coming in=
is most likely from there or from the master if you ran out of fluid.=C2=
=A0 I haven=E2=80=99t had much luck with Mityvacs either FWIW.<div><br></di=
v><div>Second, yup, put the drum on and roll away.</div><div><br></div><div=
>Third, just to be sure, the adjuster on the wheel you are putting back on =
needs to be all the way in, second getting the shoes aligned perfectly to g=
et the drum back on takes a little fiddling, if there is rust on the edge o=
f the drum (where it first contacts the shoes going on ) that won=E2=80=99t=
help things.<br><div><div><br></div><div>Lastly, the wheel cylinders are i=
nexpensive, get new ones.</div><div><br></div><div>Lester</div><div><br></d=
iv><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Jun 28, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Lin=
da Grunthaner via Spridgets <<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"=
target=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class=
=3D"gmail-m_-8473239586027171283gmail-m_5877765253755109347Apple-interchang=
e-newline"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">List,<div>I'm waiting for all new part=
s from Gerard so that is the good news, yes just be patient Linda. Below st=
arts my bad news of not being successful which seems to be my biggest probl=
em being "defeated" when working on any car project especially a =
Spridget.</div><div><br></div><div>While I'm waiting for my parts to be=
built from Gerard I wanted to get my Spridget out of the driveway so I can=
get the VW bus out of the garage and in turn get my motorcycle out to ride=
with my older brother as he will be leaving in 8 days for his cross countr=
y Harley Davidson trip to our family in California. Below is my hell with b=
rake bleeding.</div><div><br></div><div>I decided to continue bleeding with=
the "oh so shitty" Mityvac bleeder device as the brakes were har=
d but went to the floor after holding for longer periods of time. I cleaned=
the drums and all the rear parts with Brakcleen and was very happy with th=
e results (I should be grateful for that), I kept getting air coming from t=
he bleeder and hose to the Mityvac container which was sucking air and no c=
lamp could control it on the drivers rear wheel cylinder but at least it wa=
s clear. Then I went to the passengers side rear, some air although not as =
much, then off to the passenger front caliper (yes upgraded disc's when=
I got Pinky in 2006) and it seemed nice and air free then to the drivers f=
ront caliper. When I was done with the messy job with continuous filling of=
the MC I still didn't have a firm peddle and somewhat less firm that b=
efore I started, (yes don't fix what is not broken).=C2=A0</div><div><b=
r></div><div>I went to the store got new hose 1/4" clear as I suspecte=
d my hose would not keep a seal to the container or the brake nipple. I dec=
ided to bleed the way I was successful with the VW bus, a tube in a jar of =
fluid push peddle hold peddle with a 3/4" dowel and then shut off the =
nipple. It was a sloppy nightmare as I saw fluid trickle from the drivers w=
heel cylinder which now I know was bad too so that I should be grateful for=
. I was unable to get the massive amounts of air out of the line now and ha=
ve a very squishy peddle.</div><div><br></div><div>I cleaned everything up =
after returning to using the stupid Mityvac again and now I can't get t=
he drum on the shitty drivers rear wheel as the pads aren't lining up t=
o get the drum on it. Note: I had to use a wheel puller to remove the drum =
(with now leaky cylinder) in the first place. After tapping with my lead ha=
mmer on the ads to get some kind of alignment to get the drum on the spring=
popped out (long spring has a spring coil on ether side and length of of r=
od separating both half's). I got so fed up last night I just cleaned u=
p and hope for some advice.</div><div><br></div><div>Questions:=C2=A0</div>=
<div>1. Can I remove the drum pads from the shitty wheel and put the drum b=
ack on then the rear wheel so I can push the car without breaking anything?=
I'll assume yes.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>2. Can I assume the on=
ly way I can get the car to move to the street under it own power and brake=
s is to try and buy a rear wheel cylinder locally fast to replace the leake=
r as a temporary fix while waiting for the good parts from Gerard then I ca=
n get my LBC into the garage and work through the night when the parts arri=
ve, and get that bike out too.</div><div><br></div><div>3. Was I supposed t=
o leave the master cylinder cap off when bleeding or put it back on during =
the bleeding procedure?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks guys for all your c=
ontinued support I really want to succeed with this on my own and most impo=
rtantly understand my LBC.</div><div>Linda</div><div>62 California Sprite w=
/front discs "Pinky"</div><div><br></div><div><br clear=3D"all"><=
div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail-m_-8473239586027171283=
gmail-m_5877765253755109347gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D=
"font-size:small">"Pay if forward" in honor of Frank Clarici III,=
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