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Re: NO LBC Armed Airlines

To: richard.arnold@juno.com
Subject: Re: NO LBC Armed Airlines
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 15:21:10 -0700
Cc: trev9@earthlink.net, spridgets@autox.team.net
Organization: Morriservice
References: <20010918.165739.-249751.0.richard.arnold@juno.com>
Sheesh!  Here we go again.  Guns and more gun messages.  How about sending gun
talk off list and keep this an LBC discussion group.

FWIW.

Pa

richard.arnold@juno.com wrote:

> Roy,
>
> > Sorry, folks, but I stand by my statement.  Inexperience persons
> > should not be allowed to carry guns under any circumstances....
>
> I respectfully disagree.  A person might have years of experience in
> carrying a weapon, and even been trained in its use, but this is not a
> reliable indicator of how that person might behave in any given
> situation.
>
> In any event, the numbers militate against your argument:  in the 30 or
> so states that issue concealed carry permits, there is no additional
> crime attributed to the carry of the weapons, and only statistically
> negligible instances of misuse of the weapons (of course, we should also
> note that the crime rate in states adopting 'shall issue' statutes has
> dropped).  Placing "inexperienced" people -- who are carrying guns under
> every other circumstance -- in a plane isn't going to change those
> numbers.
>
> > ... but I'm smart enough to realize that a gun in an unqualified
> > persons hands is down right dangerous.
>
> See above.  Same can be said for a motor vehicle.  In fact, since we're
> much more likely to entrust a motor vehicle to an unqualified person, in
> context, the vehicle is even more dangerous.
>
> > You do not think a terrorist if he has mind could not take
> > one of those guns away from, let's say a little old lady passenger
> > and use her as a hostage along with his other coordinated buddies
> > to collect the rest of the guns on board?
>
> One could not expect any less reprehensible behavior (although one would
> wonder why it was necessary for the hijacker to take someone else's gun
> if it he was allowed to bring his own on board).
>
> >  Would you shoot the hostage to get the hijacker?
>
> Hard times call for hard decisions.  If I found it necessary, I would.
>
> > Ask one of the pilots on this list how he feels about a plane load
> > of inexperienced gun toting passengers sitting behind his cockpit.
>
> Ask him if he'd rather have the possibility of survival as compared to
> certain death.
>
> > Why do you thing the military and police force goes to so much
> > trouble to train their people how to use these things?
>
> To restate:  a person might have years of experience in carrying a
> weapon, and even been trained in its use, but this is not a reliable
> indicator of how that person might behave in any given situation.
>
> Rich -- Council Bluffs, Iowa (former Training NCO, US Army)
> '74.5 RB MGB "Miss Maggie"
> '79 Midget "Miss Molly"
> '86 Ford Crown Victoria LTD "BarcaLounger on Wheels"
> richard.arnold@juno.com  or  rdarnold@neonramp.com
> _____________________________



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