Double Damn
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist@gte.net]
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 10:17 AM
To: Mike Ginter; Spitfire Internet Mail List
Subject: Re: Weber installation
Mike and all,
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but after my conversation with the owner
of that Weber, he put it on EBAY and sold it for about
$150. He also had another one that went for a little less. So, at this
time he doesn't have any.
However, he may get more in the future. You may want to mark his URL:
www.britishcarservice.com
Regards,
Joe
Mike Ginter wrote:
>
> Hey Joe. I'd gladly give him $100 for it. Which choke? Can you verify
> that he'll sell it for $100? What's the altitude down there?
>
> Mike
>
> Joe Curry wrote:
> >
> > A local British car shop had a Spitfire they were parting out and it has
a downdraft Weber on it. I was robbing some parts from it and
> > I took the Weber and manifold off in order to give it to the owner so it
wouldn't sprout wings.
> >
> > He said it wasn't worth anything so why bother. I informed him that
there were Spit owners who would gladly pay $100 or more for it so
> > he kept it. If anyone is interested, I can see if it is still there. I
think it has a Cannon Manifold.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > Vic Whitmore wrote:
> > >
> > > Great work, Karl. I just had to run out the garage to re-measure mine,
even
> > > though the carb is off the engine now. I'll make a small amendment to
my
> > > original 3/4" and say that it is maybe 7/8", but certainly not 1 5/8".
Mine just
> > > doesn't visually seem like the same offset as in Paul's pics. Even
looking at
> > > the top of his air filter to the top of the valve cover it seems that
they are
> > > nearly level. My air filter definitely stood up higher.
> > >
> > > Dave Moag has sent in his estimate of 1 1/4" for his Cannon manifold
offset. It
> > > would appear that the Cannon may have slightly less droop than the
Pierce but
> > > more than mine. If I can get a confirmation from other Cannon users,
I'll settle
> > > on the Pierce on get one on order. Ouch! $159.
> > >
> > > Many thanks, Karl, for your extra effort.
> > >
> > > Vic W.
> > >
> > > "Karl J. Schmitt" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Vic, just went out to the garage and measured the off set more
carefully.
> > > >
> > > > Using a small 9" torpedo level, with one end resting on the machined
top of
> > > > the block, adjacent to #3 cylinder, and angled out and back towards
the
> > > > firewall, so that it is located over the #4 intake port (siamesed #3
& #4).
> > > > Then, at 7" out from the cast aluminum valve cover I measure a drop
of
> > > > 1.5/8" (1.625"). And my measurement is accurate within 1/16", or
better.
> > > >
> > > > The manifold is a Pierce with casting number 15-1952 embossed on it.
> > > >
> > > > I have the "6-clip" air filter you refer to.
> > > >
> > > > The pic you are referring to is for a DUAL CARB SET UP. The pic I
am
> > > > looking at shows a single carb on what can be described as a simple
> > > > "U"-shaped manifold.
> > > >
> > > > Now go to http://www.teglerizer.com/triumphstuff/bs_engine.htm
> > > >
> > > > In my notes there was a n underscore "_" between the /bs_engine.
> > > >
> > > > Now here is shown the "drooping manifold".
> > > > Also, note the siamesed ports, 1&2, 3&4.
> > > >
> > > > Let me know if all this helps. Also, my Weber equipped engine runs
a lot
> > > > better than it did with the Single Stromberg.
> > > >
> > > > Thankyou, Karl J. Schmitt kjschmitt@jcn.net
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Vic Whitmore [mailto:vicwhit@home.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:10 PM
> > > > To: Karl J. Schmitt
> > > > Subject: Re: Weber installation
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Karl. Thanks for the feedback. I have looked at Pierce, and even
called
> > > > them. The guy said there wasn't much difference between his and
Cannon.
> > > > Maybe
> > > > there is more than one version of the Cannon.
> > > >
> > > > >From your description of the air filter, it sounds like yours is
very
> > > > similar to
> > > > mine, if not the same. It is a stock Weber filter assembly that uses
6 clips
> > > > to
> > > > hold the top chrome piece on.
> > > >
> > > > On your next message, you say that the offset is about 1 1/2". I
just need
> > > > to
> > > > know how/where you measured this. I measured mine from the top of
the intake
> > > > tube (AFTER the flange on the engine end), to where the tube
flattens out
> > > > back
> > > > into the horizontal again.
> > > >
> > > > I really hope that your measurement follows this because that really
would
> > > > help
> > > > to understand why mine does not work. Mine offset is only 3/4". If I
had
> > > > another
> > > > 1/2" it may fit with a clearance similar to yours.
> > > >
> > > > Here is Paul Tegler's web page with his DGV jetting:
> > > > http://www.teglerizer.com/dcoe/dcoedata.htm#The DGV numbers
> > > >
> > > > Note that the pic of the DGV has a manifold with only two ports.
This isn't
> > > > for
> > > > a 1500 as far as I know. The 1500 has separate inlets for each
cylinder. I
> > > > never
> > > > have asked Paul about this pic.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck, and thanks again.
> > > >
> > > > Vic W.
> > > >
> > > > "Karl J. Schmitt" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Vic, I have an early 80's Spitfire with a Weber DGV kit as
supplied by the
> > > > > Roadster Factory some 6 - 8 years ago. Included was a manifold
and
> > > > filter
> > > > > ( about 1.7/8" high) and the assembly fits just fine. Not much
clearance
> > > > > under the bonnet, but enough. Best as I remember it, about 1/4"
or so to
> > > > > spare. I also have a custom exhaust gas header, also purchased
from TRF.
> > > > > Most of the manifolds are built by Pierce Manifolds in Gilroy, CA
.
> > > > > www.piercemanifolds.com Not sure of the "S" in manifolds.
> > > > >
> > > > > As to operation, mine works just fine, with an occasional stutter
when
> > > > first
> > > > > accelerating.
> > > > >
> > > > > I suggest you take a real close look at your installation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, I am interested in the jet set up suggested by Paul Tegler.
Can you
> > > > > send them to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you, Karl J. Schmitt kjschmitt@jcn.net
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