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The contaminants will cause the oil to degrade, hence the need to change it o=
n either time or mileage, per the OEM spec (whichever comes first).
Tom Coradeschi
Tjcora@icloud.com
> On Aug 29, 2022, at 1:44 PM, Gene Garrison <gene@garrison-grafixx.com> wro=
te:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> I'm glad you brought that up. I've always wondered about changing oil.
>=20
> So oil sitting in bottles on the shelf doesn't "go bad". Right?
>=20
> Then why does oil sitting in a rarely used engine need to be changed? I k=
now it now has contaminants and such in it, but those aren't going to cause i=
t to degrade, are they?
>=20
> - GeneG
>=20
> On 8/29/22 03:59, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:
>> I just replaced a set of trailer tires that had less than 2500 miles on t=
hem because they were ten years old and definitely showing it. =20
>>=20
>> I consider tires to be like oil - they should be changed at a mileage or t=
ime interval, whichever comes first. It's just something you have to budget=
for.
>>=20
>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 02:04 Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> re: "How many years can a set of tires go ..."
>>>=20
>>> Subject to debate, and how the tires are maintained. Some--often people w=
ho make and sell tires--insist six years is the limit, regardless of mileage=
, and if the tires are constantly exposed to extreme weather and mileage tha=
t's not unreasonable. OTOH, if the tires are kept in a garage not subject to=
temperature extremes and are only used 'around town' you can usually go mor=
e, 7 or 8 years wouldn't be too risky. At any rate, going beyond 10 years is=
pushing your luck.
>>>=20
>>> BUT ... for an SUV I'd be more cautious and probably observe the 6-year '=
rule.' SUVs and other trucks are top heavy and a catastrophic failure--i.e. a=
blowout--esp. on a front tire can cause the vehicle to roll over. Ford just=
got slapped with a $1B+ liability charge for an old truck that had a blowou=
t, rolled, and the cab squashed the elderly occupants. A couple decades ago =
Ford got slammed when some incorrect, improperly inflated Firestone tires--Fo=
rd and Firestone go WAY back--caused some fatal rollover accidents with some=
Explorers.
>>>=20
>>> My rule of thumb: If I find myself worrying about my tires, it's time fo=
r new. Your tires are only three years (+/-) old and, unless they're showing=
'checking'--cracking--or other damage they should be good for at least a co=
uple more years. Check your tire pressures regularly (at least once a month)=
.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On 8/28/2022 9:19 PM, Shannah Miller wrote:
>>>> Thank you, Ian, for commenting to the group. I will
>>>> need tires at some point, and that's good to know.
>>>>=20
>>>> That said, my car is the spare car of the family, and
>>>> has had the same tires since 2019. How many years
>>>> can a set of tires go if they are just mostly used to
>>>> putt around town? (My car has not quite 10,000 miles
>>>> on it.)
>>>>=20
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Shannah
>>>>=20
>>>> On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 7:20 PM Ian McFetridge <shop-talk2@mcfetridge.o=
rg> wrote:
>>>>> I have had the Michelin Defender LTX on my pickup since fall 2020 and t=
hey are wearing well, ride smooth and quiet. I=E2=80=99ve used Michelins on=
trucks since I worked in the tire dept at Sam=E2=80=99s in college. They a=
lways took the least amount of weights to balance and had the least returns f=
or issues or to rebalance. The manager at Costco said that is all still tru=
e when I bought the last set. YMMV :)
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Best=20
>>>>> Ian
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 8:03 PM john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> shop content... I drive my suburban into my shop
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>> time for tires... always used Michelin for the last 20 years with goo=
d service... Vehicle is 2008 Suburban 1500 with 95% highway or town ...no of=
f road
>>>>>> occasional towing my hobby truck to shows on 20' car hauler (once or t=
wice a year with load equalizing hitch...) Looking at reviews on my first c=
hoice Michelin Defender LTX/MS
>>>>>> 275/55-20. The reviews talk a lot about road noise and rough ride..=
... My current Michelin Defenders (bought in Jan 2016 ride smooth and wear w=
ell.. 76K miles on them so far)
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>> I just turned 75 and this might be my last set of tires =E2=80=A6 s=
o I'm looking for your thoughts on Michelin or others afa mileage, ride, noi=
se etc.
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>> john
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">The contaminants will cause the oil to degr=
ade, hence the need to change it on either time or mileage, per the OEM spec=
(whichever comes first).<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Tom Coradeschi<div>Tjcora@=
icloud.com</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Aug 2=
9, 2022, at 1:44 PM, Gene Garrison <gene@garrison-grafixx.com> wrote:<=
br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF=
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<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8"=
>
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<p>I'm glad you brought that up. I've always wondered about
changing oil.</p>
<p>So oil sitting in bottles on the shelf doesn't "go bad". Right?=
</p>
<p>Then why does oil sitting in a rarely used engine need to be
changed? I know it now has contaminants and such in it, but thos=
e
aren't going to cause it to degrade, are they?</p>
<p>- GeneG<br>
</p>
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 8/29/22 03:59, Jeff Scarbrough
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:CAO8Q7CPbvk37whpm9YV=3DDktmutt6NBn=
7kVd1SeoCuQjVz5Uznw@mail.gmail.com">
<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-=
8">
<div dir=3D"auto">I just replaced a set of trailer tires that had
less than 2500 miles on them because they were ten years old and
definitely showing it.
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">I consider tires to be like oil - they should be
changed at a mileage or time interval, whichever comes first. =
;
It's just something you have to budget for.</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 02:04
Bob Spidell <<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; moz-do-not=
-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">bspidell@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div> re: "How many years can a set of tires go ..."<br>
<br>
Subject to debate, and how the tires are maintained.
Some--often people who make and sell tires--insist six years
is the limit, regardless of mileage, and if the tires are
constantly exposed to extreme weather and mileage that's not
unreasonable. OTOH, if the tires are kept in a garage not
subject to temperature extremes and are only used 'around
town' you can usually go more, 7 or 8 years wouldn't be too
risky. At any rate, going beyond 10 years is pushing your
luck.<br>
<br>
BUT ... for an SUV I'd be more cautious and probably observe
the 6-year 'rule.' SUVs and other trucks are top heavy and a
catastrophic failure--i.e. a blowout--esp. on a front tire
can cause the vehicle to roll over. Ford just got slapped
with a $1B+ liability charge for an old truck that had a
blowout, rolled, and the cab squashed the elderly occupants.
A couple decades ago Ford got slammed when some incorrect,
improperly inflated Firestone tires--Ford and Firestone go
WAY back--caused some fatal rollover accidents with some
Explorers.<br>
<br>
My rule of thumb: If I find myself worrying about my tires,
it's time for new. Your tires are only three years (+/-) old
and, unless they're showing 'checking'--cracking--or other
damage they should be good for at least a couple more years.
Check your tire pressures regularly (at least once a month).<br>=
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>On 8/28/2022 9:19 PM, Shannah Miller wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>Thank you, Ian, for commenting to the group. I
will</div>
<div>need tires at some point, and that's good to know.</div=
>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>That said, my car is the spare car of the family,
and</div>
<div>has had the same tires since 2019. How many years=
</div>
<div>can a set of tires go if they are just mostly used
to</div>
<div>putt around town? (My car has not quite 10,000
miles</div>
<div>on it.)<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Shannah<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 28, 2022
at 7:20 PM Ian McFetridge <<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk2=
@mcfetridge.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" moz-do-not-send=3D"tru=
e" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">shop-talk2@mcfetridge.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"auto">I have had the Michelin Defender LTX
on my pickup since fall 2020 and they are wearing
well, ride smooth and quiet. I=E2=80=99ve used Mic=
helins on
trucks since I worked in the tire dept at Sam=E2=80=99s i=
n
college. They always took the least amount of
weights to balance and had the least returns for
issues or to rebalance. The manager at Costco said=
that is all still true when I bought the last set. =
YMMV :)</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Best </div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Ian</div>
<div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 28,
2022 at 8:03 PM john niolon <<a href=3D"mailto:jn=
iolon@att.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" moz-do-not-send=3D"true"=
class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">jniolon@att.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">shop content... I
drive my suburban into my shop</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">time for tires...
always used Michelin for the last 20 years
with good service... Vehicle is 2008
Suburban 1500 with 95% highway or town
...no off road</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">occasional towing
my hobby truck to shows on 20' car hauler
(once or twice a year with load equalizing
hitch...) Looking at reviews on my first=
choice Michelin Defender LTX/MS</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">275/55-20.  =
; The
reviews talk a lot about road noise and
rough ride..... My current Michelin
Defenders (bought in Jan 2016 ride smoot=
h
and wear well.. 76K miles on them so far)</fon=
t></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I just turned 75
and this might be my last set of tires &n=
bsp;<img alt=3D"Grinning Face with Smiling Eyes" src=3D"cid:part1.BCNdxLKL.U=
PuEd01i@comcast.net" style=3D"width:24px;max-width:100%;background-color:rgb=
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send=3D"true" align=3D"absMiddle" data-unique-identifier=3D""> =E2=80=A6=
so I'm looking for your thoughts on
Michelin or others afa mileage, ride,
noise etc.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div>
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