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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electronic Parking Brakes
From: Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 19:12:05 -0500
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Exactly this. If it's the sort that you actuate via a switch, you have to
disable it via software--or maybe hardware on some cars--before you retract
the pistons. I'm not sure about Hondas, it might just need to be reset like
the oil change interval.

Scott

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, 6:54 PM Arvid Jedlicka <arvidj999@gmail.com> wrote:

> I know that on my Golf you need to disable\retract the electronic parking
> brake via an app that plugs into the OBD connector before doing any work on
> the brakes. Failure to do so and just forcing the pistons back to install
> ne pads will damage the parking break mechanism.
>
> I suspect that may be what happened here.
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, 5:41 PM John T. Blair <jblair1948@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey gang,
>>
>> My nephew came over last weekend to work on his 2019 Honda Civic.  He's
>> getting an "Electronic Parking Brake" error.
>>
>> I'd never head of such a thing, and electronic parking brake?
>>
>> I did a little research on youtube and found out what it is, and sure
>> enough
>> it IS and electronic parking brake!
>>
>> So I had some idea what to look for and at when he got here.
>>
>> He'd had someone replace his rear pads for him.  After that, he started
>> getting the error.   The fellow that did the job said, he didn't know
>> anything
>> about the electronic parking brakes.  So my thought was that he'd
>> disconnected the connector and hadn't put it back.
>>
>> Well we were lucky.  After we jacked it up and had it on stands, we pulled
>> the drivers side first and look at the connector.  It was
>> connected.  So I figured, maybe he hadn't do the manual reset of the
>> motor.  So I pulled the
>> motor and tried to manually turn the sprocket.  NO go.  After a little
>> more
>> diagnostics, listening to the motor on the passengers side and hearing the
>> motor turn when you set and released the brake, and listening to the
>> driver's
>> side motor and NOT hearing anything, we concluded it was bad.
>>
>> So I start looking for a replacement part.  No dealer appears to have any
>> as
>> they are on National Backorder with no expected delivery date.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the parking brake system is REQUIRED to hold the car for
>> State Inspection here in VA.  So my nephew can't get his car state
>> inspected.
>> So technically he shouldn't be driving the car.  But as everyone knows,
>> you
>> need a car to get to your job.
>>
>> So any one with a car with an electronic parking brake (EPB)be leary.  I'm
>> supprised at the cars that have the EPB system.  Most recient Hondas, BMW
>> Lincolns, etc.
>>
>> Looks to me like a case where the engineers got carried away with the idea
>> that electronics don't fail, but mechanical parts do!
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Exactly this. If it&#39;s the sort that you actuate via a=
 switch, you have to disable it via software--or maybe hardware on some car=
s--before you retract the pistons. I&#39;m not sure about Hondas, it might =
just need to be reset like the oil change interval.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto">Scott</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, 6:54 PM Arvid Jedlick=
a &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:arvidj999@gmail.com";>arvidj999@gmail.com</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">I know that =
on my Golf you need to disable\retract the electronic parking brake via an =
app that plugs into the OBD connector before doing any work on the brakes. =
Failure to do so and just forcing the pistons back to install ne pads will =
damage the parking break mechanism.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">I suspect that may be what happened here.=C2=A0</div></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Au=
g 9, 2022, 5:41 PM John T. Blair &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jblair1948@cox.net"; =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">jblair1948@cox.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
Hey gang,<br>
<br>
My nephew came over last weekend to work on his 2019 Honda Civic.=C2=A0 He&=
#39;s<br>
getting an &quot;Electronic Parking Brake&quot; error.<br>
<br>
I&#39;d never head of such a thing, and electronic parking brake?<br>
<br>
I did a little research on youtube and found out what it is, and sure enoug=
h<br>
it IS and electronic parking brake!<br>
<br>
So I had some idea what to look for and at when he got here.<br>
<br>
He&#39;d had someone replace his rear pads for him.=C2=A0 After that, he st=
arted<br>
getting the error.=C2=A0 =C2=A0The fellow that did the job said, he didn&#3=
9;t know anything<br>
about the electronic parking brakes.=C2=A0 So my thought was that he&#39;d =
<br>
disconnected the connector and hadn&#39;t put it back.<br>
<br>
Well we were lucky.=C2=A0 After we jacked it up and had it on stands, we pu=
lled<br>
the drivers side first and look at the connector.=C2=A0 It was <br>
connected.=C2=A0 So I figured, maybe he hadn&#39;t do the manual reset of t=
he <br>
motor.=C2=A0 So I pulled the<br>
motor and tried to manually turn the sprocket.=C2=A0 NO go.=C2=A0 After a l=
ittle more<br>
diagnostics, listening to the motor on the passengers side and hearing the<=
br>
motor turn when you set and released the brake, and listening to the driver=
&#39;s<br>
side motor and NOT hearing anything, we concluded it was bad.<br>
<br>
So I start looking for a replacement part.=C2=A0 No dealer appears to have =
any as<br>
they are on National Backorder with no expected delivery date.<br>
<br>
Unfortunately, the parking brake system is REQUIRED to hold the car for<br>
State Inspection here in VA.=C2=A0 So my nephew can&#39;t get his car state=
 inspected.<br>
So technically he shouldn&#39;t be driving the car.=C2=A0 But as everyone k=
nows, you<br>
need a car to get to your job.<br>
<br>
So any one with a car with an electronic parking brake (EPB)be leary.=C2=A0=
 I&#39;m<br>
supprised at the cars that have the EPB system.=C2=A0 Most recient Hondas, =
BMW<br>
Lincolns, etc.<br>
<br>
Looks to me like a case where the engineers got carried away with the idea<=
br>
that electronics don&#39;t fail, but mechanical parts do!<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
John T. Blair=C2=A0 WA4OHZ=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0email:=C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailt=
o:jblair1948@cox.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">jblai=
r1948@cox.net</a><br>
Va. Beach, Va=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 Phone:=C2=A0 (757) 495-8229<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A048 TR1800=C2=A0 =C2=A0 48 #4 Midge=
t=C2=A0 =C2=A0 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 77 Spitfire=C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 71 Saab Sonett III<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 65 Rambler Classic<br>
<br>
Morgan:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/morgan/"; rel=3D"noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/morgan=
/</a><br>
Bricklin:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.bricklin.org"; rel=3D"nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.bricklin.org</a=
><br>
<br>
If you can read this=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Thank=
 a teacher!<br>
If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!<br>
<br>
=C2=A0From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 e pluribus Unum, &quot;from many, one.&quot;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 In God We Trust<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Liberty - the=C2=A0 power=C2=A0 of=C2=A0 choosing,=C2=
=A0 thinking,=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 acting=C2=A0 for<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0onesel=
f; freedom=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 control=C2=A0 or=C2=A0 restriction<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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