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That's pretty high.=C2=A0 If the current is 10A you will have a 3 volt dro=
p across that cable.
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Dave=20
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-----Original Message-----
From: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>; shop-talk@autox.team.net <shop-talk@=
autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 9, 2021 2:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck
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ef, #yiv1494141348 body.yiv1494141348OECFntDef div {font-family:Tahoma, Ver=
dana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;}checked all ground conne=
ctions and resistance thru cables=C2=A0neg post on battery to ground bolt i=
n frame=C2=A0 0.37 ohmsall 1/0 cables read 0.2 to 0.3 ohms=C2=A0
----- Original Message -----From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>Reply-To=
: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>To: <jniolon@att.net>, <shop-talk@autox.=
team.net>Sent: 8/9/2021 2:02:32 PMSubject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical probl=
em with truckCheck between frame ground and battery negative.=C2=A0 A rusty=
connection there can cause all manner of similar problems.
Dave=20
-----Original Message-----
From: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 9, 2021 12:55 pm
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck
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ef, #yiv1494141348 body.yiv1494141348OECFntDef div {font-family:Tahoma, Ver=
dana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;}sorry for slow response.=
.. helping daughter and sil move...priorities!!!=C2=A0Monday a.m. report
fresh charge on battery 40 amp for 30 minutes on saturday trickle charger s=
ince then .. battery voltage 13.4 this a.m. checked with two different mete=
rs
hooked up H.F. 500 amp load tester, voltage reading same as VOM at 13.4
voltage at frame rail terminal also 13.4
battery has 800 CCA capacity
started test... over 15 second test the battery slowly dropped to 320 amps =
and voltage read 10.8 (still in the green scale)
stopped test at 15 seconds and two minutes later battery was back up to 12.=
7
next step will be check alternator output at battery and terminal point
ok... started truck... engine at 1200 rpm
meter on alternator o/p- voltage is 14.6
meter on battery voltage is 13.5
hmmm...1.1 volt drop in 4' of 1/0 cable....that don't sound right
need to measure resistance of cable I guess...
as an aside... checked voltaged between frame ground and the case of the al=
ternator... 0.0001 volts
I also took battery back to Wal mart and Quintella checked it...=C2=A0 batt=
ery is good based on her years ofbattery experience
=C2=A0=C2=A0
----- Original Message -----From: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>To: shop-tal=
k <shop-talk@autox.team.net>Sent: 8/6/2021 8:58:12 AMSubject: [Shop-talk] e=
lectrical problem with truck#yiv1494141348 body {margin:0.7em;}#yiv14941413=
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jeff=E2=80=A6.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 regular led acid battery ??=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Everstart Maxx27 800 CCA=C2=A0 regular Walmart battery=C2=
=A0When it died, did any of the electrical items still work?=C2=A0 Lights, =
etc.?=C2=A0 when it first occurred ,, when I tried to restart,=C2=A0.. star=
ter just clicked and I remember the a/c fan still blowing=C2=A0=C2=A0Donald=
...=C2=A0 How large is the cable from the alternator to the battery?=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 feed from battery to alternator is #4 wire
=C2=A0Dave... I was thinking a dirty battery clamp.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 batte=
ry clamps are new this year and clean, no corrosion on connections=C2=A0Joh=
n...=C2=A0=C2=A0 How is the volt meter in your truck grounded, to the frame=
or to the motor?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 voltmeter in dash is grounded to dash f=
rame=C2=A0 voltmeter used to check under hood is grounded to frame not engi=
ne.=C2=A0 I'll go back and check ground connections. Alternator has a groun=
d terminal of it's own... it's #10 wire grounded to the frame=C2=A0and of c=
ourse the alternator is grounded through it's mount.=C2=A0Pat...=C2=A0 what=
is the relationship between the frame terminal & the rest of the electrica=
l system?=C2=A0 Terminal on the frame rail is fed by a 4' piece of =C2=A0#4=
wire from the i/p solenoid lug where the cable from the battery is connect=
ed to the solenoid.=C2=A0Jimmie..=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 What's the voltage at t=
he terminal with those accessories 'on' but the engine 'off'=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 hmmm ?? don't remember checking that, =E2=80=A6=C2=A0 I'll do that=C2=
=A0How big is the alternator?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 100 amp single wire from CV=
F racing=C2=A0ya'll have given me lots to check and recheck and some I have=
n't thought of...=C2=A0=C2=A0 going back through my diagnostics and check c=
onnections too.=C2=A0 I bought a 500 amp load tester yesterday and will put=
sufficient load on the battery.=C2=A0 Battery is under the cab and I have =
to lower it to check it out and with the low truck, I have to raise truck o=
n jackstands.. silly me, I thought battery would be a low maintenance item =
...duh.=C2=A0=C2=A0 so checking at a shop somewhere is a very large pain.=
=C2=A0points I'm considering.... larger ground wires from frame to engine..=
.. alternator to frame and check resistance from solenoid lug to the termin=
al on the frame...=C2=A0=C2=A0 the saga continues=C2=A0thanks for all the r=
eplies and points to check..=C2=A0=C2=A0 you guys are the best=C2=A0john=C2=
=A0_______________________________________________
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<div> <font size=3D"3">That's pretty high. If the current is 10A you =
will have a 3 volt drop across that cable.</font><br>
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<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: john niolon <jniolon@att.net><br>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>; shop-talk@autox.team.net <s=
hop-talk@autox.team.net><br>
Sent: Mon, Aug 9, 2021 2:57 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck<br>
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<div>checked all ground connections and resistance thru cables</div>
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<div>neg post on battery to ground bolt in frame 0.37 ohms</div>
<div>all 1/0 cables read 0.2 to 0.3 ohms</div>
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<div><b>----- Original Message -----</b></div>
<div><b>From:</b> DAVID MASSEY <<a shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer noopener">dave1massey@cs.com</a>></div>
<div><b>Reply-To:</b> DAVID MASSEY <<a shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer noopener">dave1massey@cs.com</a>></div>
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oopener">jniolon@att.net</a>>, <<a shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" r=
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck</div>
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<div><font size=3D"3">Check between frame ground and battery negative. =
; A rusty connection there can cause all manner of similar problems.</font>=
<br clear=3D"none"></div>
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<div style=3D"CLEAR:both;"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br clear=3D"none">=
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nt size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">From: john niolo=
n <jniolon@att.net><br clear=3D"none">To: shop-talk <shop-talk@aut=
ox.team.net><br clear=3D"none">Sent: Mon, Aug 9, 2021 12:55 pm<br clear=
=3D"none">Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck<br clear=
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6" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:13px;FONT-FAMILY:Verdana, geneva, lucida, arial, helv=
etica, sans-serif;WHITE-SPACE:normal;WORD-SPACING:0px;TEXT-TRANSFORM:none;F=
ONT-WEIGHT:400;COLOR:rgb(34,34,34);PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;FONT-STYLE:normal;PAD=
DING-TOP:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;ORPHANS:2;WIDOWS:2;MARGIN:0px;LETTER-SPACING:=
normal;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(255,255,255);TEXT-INDENT:0px;=
text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;">sorry for slo=
w response... helping daughter and sil move...priorities!!!</div>
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dana, geneva, lucida, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;WHITE-SPACE:normal;WORD-=
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-BOTTOM:0px;FONT-STYLE:normal;PADDING-TOP:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;ORPHANS:2;WI=
DOWS:2;MARGIN:0px;LETTER-SPACING:normal;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;BACKGROUND-COLOR:=
rgb(255,255,255);TEXT-INDENT:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decorat=
ion-color:initial;"> </div>
<div class=3D"yiv1494141348nolinks" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:13px;FONT-FAMILY:Ver=
dana, geneva, lucida, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;WHITE-SPACE:normal;WORD-=
SPACING:0px;TEXT-TRANSFORM:none;FONT-WEIGHT:400;COLOR:rgb(34,34,34);PADDING=
-BOTTOM:0px;FONT-STYLE:normal;PADDING-TOP:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;ORPHANS:2;WI=
DOWS:2;MARGIN:0px;LETTER-SPACING:normal;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;BACKGROUND-COLOR:=
rgb(255,255,255);TEXT-INDENT:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decorat=
ion-color:initial;">Monday a.m. report<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"=
>fresh charge on battery 40 amp for 30 minutes on saturday trickle charger =
since then .. battery voltage 13.4 this a.m. checked with two different met=
ers<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">hooked up H.F. =
500 amp load tester, voltage reading same as VOM at 13.4<br clear=3D"none">=
voltage at frame rail terminal also 13.4<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"non=
e">battery has 800 CCA capacity<br clear=3D"none">started test... over 15 s=
econd test the battery slowly dropped to 320 amps and voltage read 10.8 (st=
ill in the green scale)<br clear=3D"none">stopped test at 15 seconds and tw=
o minutes later battery was back up to 12.7<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"=
none"><br clear=3D"none"><img class=3D"yiv1494141348post_inline_image" styl=
e=3D"BORDER-TOP-STYLE:none;MAX-WIDTH:100%;BORDER-LEFT-STYLE:none;HEIGHT:aut=
o;VERTICAL-ALIGN:middle;BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE:none;BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE:none;DI=
SPLAY:inline-block;" alt=3D"" src=3D"https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.ford-=
trucks.com-vbulletin/360x270/voltsa_1305c5989a3f57a2ffce9e2b49c805e0eed9be6=
9.jpg"><br clear=3D"none"><img class=3D"yiv1494141348post_inline_image" sty=
le=3D"BORDER-TOP-STYLE:none;MAX-WIDTH:100%;BORDER-LEFT-STYLE:none;HEIGHT:au=
to;VERTICAL-ALIGN:middle;BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE:none;BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE:none;D=
ISPLAY:inline-block;" alt=3D"" src=3D"https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.ford=
-trucks.com-vbulletin/360x270/amps1_d85e8a6155a607aae42c4fe2bbfde3577847803=
2.jpg"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">next step will be check altern=
ator output at battery and terminal point<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"no=
ne">ok... started truck... engine at 1200 rpm<br clear=3D"none">meter on al=
ternator o/p- voltage is 14.6<br clear=3D"none">meter on battery voltage is=
13.5<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">hmmm...1.1 volt drop in 4' of 1/=
0 cable....that don't sound right<br clear=3D"none">need to measure resista=
nce of cable I guess...<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">as an aside...=
checked voltaged between frame ground and the case of the alternator... 0.=
0001 volts<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">I also took battery back to=
Wal mart and Quintella checked it... battery is good based on her ye=
ars of</div>
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dana, geneva, lucida, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;WHITE-SPACE:normal;WORD-=
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rgb(255,255,255);TEXT-INDENT:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decorat=
ion-color:initial;">battery experience<br clear=3D"none"></div>
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lvetica, sans-serif;WHITE-SPACE:normal;WORD-SPACING:0px;TEXT-TRANSFORM:none=
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G:normal;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(255,255,255);TEXT-INDENT:0p=
x;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;"> </div=
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<div><b>----- Original Message -----</b></div>
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=3D"noreferrer noopener">jniolon@att.net</a>></div>
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referrer noopener">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>></div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> 8/6/2021 8:58:12 AM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck</div>
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<div>
<div>jeff=E2=80=A6. regular led acid battery ??&nbs=
p; <font color=3D"#ff0000">Everstart Maxx27 800 CCA =
regular Walmart battery</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div>When it died, did any of the electrical items still work? Lights=
, etc.? <font color=3D"#ff0000">when it first occurred ,, when I trie=
d to restart, .. starter just clicked and I remember the a/c fan still=
blowing</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#ff0000"></font> </div>
<div><font color=3D"#ff0000"></font> </div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000">Donald... How large is the cable from th=
e alternator to the battery? </font><font color=3D"#ff0000">fee=
d from battery to alternator is #4 wire<br clear=3D"none"></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#ff0000"></font> </div>
<div><font color=3D"#ff0000"><font color=3D"#000000">Dave... I was thinking=
a dirty battery clamp.</font> battery clamps are new thi=
s year and clean, no corrosion on connections</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color=3D"#ff0000"><font color=3D"#000000">John... Ho=
w is the volt meter in your truck grounded, to the frame or to the motor?</=
font> voltmeter in dash is grounded to dash frame v=
oltmeter used to check under hood is grounded to frame not engine. I'=
ll go back and check ground connections. Alternator has a ground terminal o=
f it's own... it's #10 wire grounded to the frame and of course the al=
ternator is grounded through it's mount.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000">Pat... what is the relationship between =
the frame terminal & the rest of the electrical system? </font>Te=
rminal on the frame rail is fed by a 4' piece of #4 wire from the i/p=
solenoid lug where the cable from the battery is connected to the solenoid=
.</div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000">Jimmie.. What's the voltage =
at the terminal with those accessories 'on' but the engine 'off'</font>&nbs=
p; hmmm ?? don't remember checking that, =E2=80=A6 I'll d=
o that</div>
<div> <font color=3D"#000000">How big is the alternator?</font> &=
nbsp; 100 amp single wire from CVF racing</div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000">ya'll have given me lots to check and recheck =
and some I haven't thought of... going back through my diagnost=
ics and check connections too. I bought a 500 amp load tester yesterd=
ay and will put sufficient load on the battery. Battery is under the =
cab and I have to lower it to check it out and with the low truck, I have t=
o raise truck on jackstands.. silly me, I thought battery would be a low ma=
intenance item ...duh. so checking at a shop somewhere is a ver=
y large pain.</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000"></font> </div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000">points I'm considering.... larger ground wires=
from frame to engine.... alternator to frame and check resistance from sol=
enoid lug to the terminal on the frame... the saga continues</f=
ont></div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000"></font> </div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000">thanks for all the replies and points to check=
.. you guys are the best</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000"></font> </div>
<div><font color=3D"#000000">john</font></div>
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