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To: Jack Brooks <JIBrooks@live.com> definitions=2020-08-08_05:2020-08-06, 2020-08-08 signatures=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2004280000 definitions=main-2008080093
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Annealing Copper bars
From: Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 07:36:56 -0500
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Pay a local shop with an oxy/acetylene rig to heat them? Muffler shop, body s=
hop, A/C contractor? A/C contractor sometimes use air/acetylene. Will that g=
et hot enough?

Peace,
Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Aug 7, 2020, at 11:25 PM, Jack Brooks <JIBrooks@live.com> wrote:

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I have fabricated a number of 1/8 and 3/16th inch thick busbars for an Van R=
V build electrical system which I am assembling in my shop.  The busbars are=
 already bent to shape, but I=E2=80=99d like to anneal them, because the cop=
per was purchased in the  =E2=80=9CHalf-Hard=E2=80=9D state and making them =E2=
=80=9CDead-Soft=E2=80=9D will insure that they lay completely flat to maximi=
ze the conductivity when I final assemble the system.
=20
I usually anneal copper by getting it hot enough to glow with a propane torc=
h and then allow it to cool.  With the mass of these busbars, I can=E2=80=99=
t get them up to a temperature to where they glow with propane.  An Oxy/Acet=
ylene torch would work, but I don=E2=80=99t have one.  MAPP gas is hotter, b=
ut I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s a lot hotter.
=20
I am considering running them through the cleaning cycle in the self-cleanin=
g over, as a self-cleaning oven will typically runs up to around 900=C2=B0F.=
  Copper needs 700-1,200=C2=B0F to anneal, so it should be fine.
=20
I=E2=80=99d prefer almost any other solution.  Thoughts?  The last time I us=
ed our oven for a shop project, it was to cure the paint on the jugs (cylind=
ers) of my =E2=80=9974 Norton motorcycle.  Mrs. Jack was not happy.  Copper b=
ars should be fine as they won=E2=80=99t stink up the house.
=20
Thanks in advance,
=20
Jack
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Pay a local shop with an oxy/acetylene rig t=
o heat them? Muffler shop, body shop, A/C contractor? A/C contractor sometim=
es use air/acetylene. Will that get hot enough?<div><br></div><div>Peace,</d=
iv><div>Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat f=
or Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Aug 7, 2020, a=
t 11:25 PM, Jack Brooks &lt;JIBrooks@live.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tim=
es New Roman&quot;,serif">I have fabricated a number of 1/8 and 3/16<sup>th<=
/sup> inch thick busbars for an Van RV build electrical system which I am as=
sembling in my shop.&nbsp; The busbars are already
 bent to shape, but I=E2=80=99d like to anneal them, because the copper was p=
urchased in the &nbsp;=E2=80=9CHalf-Hard=E2=80=9D state and making them =E2=80=
=9CDead-Soft=E2=80=9D will insure that they lay completely flat to maximize t=
he conductivity when I final assemble the system.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tim=
es New Roman&quot;,serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tim=
es New Roman&quot;,serif">I usually anneal copper by getting it hot enough t=
o glow with a propane torch and then allow it to cool.&nbsp; With the mass o=
f these busbars, I can=E2=80=99t get them up to a temperature
 to where they glow with propane.&nbsp; An Oxy/Acetylene torch would work, b=
ut I don=E2=80=99t have one.&nbsp; MAPP gas is hotter, but I don=E2=80=99t t=
hink it=E2=80=99s a lot hotter.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tim=
es New Roman&quot;,serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tim=
es New Roman&quot;,serif">I am considering running them through the cleaning=
 cycle in the self-cleaning over, as a self-cleaning oven will typically run=
s up to around 900=C2=B0F.&nbsp; Copper needs 700-1,200=C2=B0F
 to anneal, so it should be fine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tim=
es New Roman&quot;,serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tim=
es New Roman&quot;,serif">I=E2=80=99d prefer almost any other solution.&nbsp=
; Thoughts?&nbsp; The last time I used our oven for a shop project, it was t=
o cure the paint on the jugs (cylinders) of my =E2=80=9974 Norton motorcycle=
.&nbsp;
 Mrs. Jack was not happy.&nbsp; Copper bars should be fine as they won=E2=80=
=99t stink up the house.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tim=
es New Roman&quot;,serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tim=
es New Roman&quot;,serif">Thanks in advance,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tim=
es New Roman&quot;,serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tim=
es New Roman&quot;,serif">Jack<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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