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Re: [Shop-talk] Quick welding question- It's ok to use an 100% argon tan

To: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>, shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Quick welding question- It's ok to use an 100% argon tank on it's side, correct?
From: Arvid via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 09:50:15 -0500
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My understanding of the "vertical position" was based on acetylene tanks. Most 
other tanks are 100% gas but IIRC acetylene is partially a liquid and therefore 
laying it on it's side would not provide "just the gas" that would be at the 
top of a vertical tank to come out.

*Acetylene*gas is mixed in*liquid*acetone for safe storage and usage. Acetone 
in*acetylene cylinders*helps stabilize the gas making it non-reactive within 
the*cylinder*. In this process,*acetylene*is dissolved in*liquid*acetone under 
high pressure. The*cylinder*is then filled with porous material like firebrick.

Arvid

On 5/8/20 8:36 AM, Bob Spidell via Shop-talk wrote:
> From the textbook used in my JC welding class, 'Modern Welding,' 11th Edition:
>
> "Gas cylinders should always be stored and used in an upright position."
>
> No explanation given, but it was in safety-related text printed in red.  I 
> wouldn't be comfortable using the bottle laying flat; if nothing else the 
> pressure and flow gauges--esp. the 'bubble' type flowmeter--may have issues.
>
> Bob
>
> On 5/8/2020 5:25 AM, eric--- via Shop-talk wrote:
>> I just wanted to double check that  it's ok to use an 100% argon tank on 
>> it's side.  Do I have that right?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational 
>> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo 
>> Emerson
>> -Who is John Galt?
>>
>
>
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    <p>My understanding of the "vertical position" was based on
      acetylene tanks. Most other tanks are 100% gas but IIRC acetylene
      is partially a liquid and therefore laying it on it's side would
      not provide "just the gas" that would be at the top of a vertical
      tank to come out.</p>
    <p><b style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Roboto, arial,
        sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal;
        font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
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        text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
        widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
        background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style:
        initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">Acetylene</b><span
        style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Roboto, arial,
        sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal;
        font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
        font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2;
        text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
        white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
        -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
        255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color:
        initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"><span> </span>gas
        is mixed in<span> </span></span><b style="color: rgb(34, 34,
        34); font-family: Roboto, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;
        font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
        font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2;
        text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
        white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
        -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
        255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color:
        initial;">liquid</b><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34);
        font-family: Roboto, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;
        font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
        font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
        normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;
        text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
        word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
        background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style:
        initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline
        !important; float: none;"><span> </span>acetone for safe storage
        and usage. Acetone in<span> </span></span><b style="color:
        rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Roboto, arial, sans-serif;
        font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
        normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
        orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:
        none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
        -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
        255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color:
        initial;">acetylene cylinders</b><span style="color: rgb(34, 34,
        34); font-family: Roboto, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;
        font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
        font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
        normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;
        text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
        word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
        background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style:
        initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline
        !important; float: none;"><span> </span>helps stabilize the gas
        making it non-reactive within the<span> </span></span><b
        style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Roboto, arial,
        sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal;
        font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
        letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left;
        text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
        widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
        background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style:
        initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">cylinder</b><span
        style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Roboto, arial,
        sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal;
        font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
        font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2;
        text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
        white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
        -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
        255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color:
        initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">. In this
        process,<span> </span></span><b style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34);
        font-family: Roboto, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;
        font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
        font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2;
        text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
        white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
        -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
        255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color:
        initial;">acetylene</b><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34);
        font-family: Roboto, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;
        font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
        font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
        normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;
        text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
        word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
        background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style:
        initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline
        !important; float: none;"><span> </span>is dissolved 
in<span> </span></span><b
        style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Roboto, arial,
        sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal;
        font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
        letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left;
        text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
        widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
        background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style:
        initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">liquid</b><span
        style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Roboto, arial,
        sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal;
        font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
        font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2;
        text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
        white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
        -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
        255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color:
        initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"><span> </span>acetone
        under high pressure. The<span> </span></span><b style="color:
        rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Roboto, arial, sans-serif;
        font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
        normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
        orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:
        none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
        -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
        255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color:
        initial;">cylinder</b><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34);
        font-family: Roboto, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;
        font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
        font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
        normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px;
        text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
        word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
        background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style:
        initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline
        !important; float: none;"><span> </span>is then filled with
        porous material like firebrick.</span></p>
    <p> Arvid<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/8/20 8:36 AM, Bob Spidell via
      Shop-talk wrote:<br>
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      From the textbook used in my JC welding class, 'Modern Welding,'
      11th Edition:<br>
      <br>
      "Gas cylinders should always be stored and used in an upright
      position."<br>
      <br>
      No explanation given, but it was in safety-related text printed in
      red.  I wouldn't be comfortable using the bottle laying flat; if
      nothing else the pressure and flow gauges--esp. the 'bubble' type
      flowmeter--may have issues.<br>
      <br>
      Bob<br>
      <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/8/2020 5:25 AM, eric--- via
        Shop-talk wrote:<br>
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        <font size="2" face="sans-serif">I just wanted to double check
          that  it's ok to use an 100% argon tank on it's side.  Do I
          have that right?</font> <br>
        <br>
        <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Thanks</font> <br>
        <font size="2" face="sans-serif"><br>
          <br>
          "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as
          a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of
          your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson <br>
          -Who is John Galt?</font> <br>
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