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You may have given up too soon. Have you tried modern Li-Ion tools? My
experiences were like yours until the latest generation. But now I
couldn't be happier after quite a long service life.
-Paul
On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 11:52 AM, steve hochschild <steve-hochschild@att.net
> wrote:
> I am raising my hand to mention that I have given up on battery powered
> tools. I have a huge collection of dead batteries, useless chargers, and
> drill carcasses that make me mad every time I look at them. I finally
> realized that all I really wanted was one of those very small battery
> screwdrivers, under $20, and regular, line-powered drills, etc.
>
> So feel free to save hundreds of dollars and for me, huge frustration, by
> buying an extension cord and a set of plug-in tools.
>
> How many dead batteries and useless chargers have we all accumulated in
> our shops, anyway?? Just an alternative opinion, feel free to ignore...
>
> Mr Grumpy
>
>
>
> On 4/10/2016 8:40 AM, David Scheidt wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> I realize this is like bringing up 'best oil' or 'best tires' on a car
>>> list,
>>> but I'm in the market for a battery drill/driver/sander/etc. combo to
>>> replace my ancient--but still working--Makita 9V driver-drill. I want
>>> something with all the 'goodies;' I'll need the usual driver/drill, but
>>> also
>>> need a portable sander (belt and/or disc), and at least the option for
>>> more
>>> attachments.
>>>
>>> I know I probably can't lose with DeWalt, Milwaukee, Makita or even
>>> Craftsman--hell, they might all come out of the same factory in China for
>>> all I know--but would like to see if there's a consensus on best overall.
>>> Is more voltage always better, or is 14.4V better for some reason than
>>> 19.2V, etc.?
>>>
>> Pick the one that comes in the color you like. I like red, so I have
>> Milwaukee[1]. Consider brushless for your most used tools, they're
>> lighter and more powerful, and the price differential is getting
>> smaller. Careful buying kits, and make sure you get the version of
>> the kit you want.[2] Some kits are good deals, some aren't.
>> Drill/driver + something kits tend to be good values, as they're sold
>> on the drug dealer 'first one is free' model. Others are more
>> expensive than buying the tool and batteries separately. And once
>> you've got a collection of batteries, you don't need one for every
>> tool.
>>
>>
>> Modern Li-ion batteries and tools are far superior to Ni-Cad or NiMH
>> batteries and tools. Li-ion batteries have lower self discharge, so
>> they stay charged better, and they have higher power densities, so the
>> batteries last longer. They also have much lower internal
>> resistance, so tools can take power out of them much faster. That
>> means the current crop of high-end 12V stuff is better than any 19.2
>> nicad tool, in nearly every respect: lighter, smaller, more powerful,
>> and usually cheaper. The 18V stuff is amazing; my m18 fuel drill
>> drills holes faster than my corded drill, which is a nice drill that
>> I've never thought underpowered or slow.
>>
>> A note on voltages: the lithium cells used in the battery packs of
>> these tools have a nominal voltage of 4v, which is closer to 3.6 under
>> load. The 12V tools use 3 cells in series, the 18v tools use 5.
>> (Dewalt's 20V stuff is 18V, the 20 is just marketing to make it sound
>> better.) High capacity packs have two sets of cells in parallel.
>> Name brand batteries have a pretty good life, and seem to last two to
>> three years in professional use.
>>
>>
>> [1]The actual reason i have Milwaukee tools is that I used to work
>> with people who had them, and it meant I could borrow a tool I didn't
>> own, and use my batteries on it.
>>
>> [2] I recently bought a drill/impact set. The version with the
>> previous generation tools was still widely available, as was the early
>> version of the kit I got, which came with lower capacity batteries.
>> Both were more expensive...
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">You may have given up too soon.=C2=A0 Have you tried moder=
n Li-Ion tools?=C2=A0 My experiences were like yours until the latest gener=
ation.=C2=A0 But now I couldn't be happier after quite a long service l=
ife.<div><br></div><div>-Paul</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 11:52 AM, steve hochschild =
<span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:steve-hochschild@att.net"; target=3D=
"_blank">steve-hochschild@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex">I am raising my hand to mention that I have given up on batt=
ery powered tools.=C2=A0 I have a huge collection of dead batteries, useles=
s chargers, and drill carcasses that make me mad every time I look at them.=
=C2=A0 I finally realized that all I really wanted was one of those very sm=
all battery screwdrivers, under $20, and regular, line-powered drills, etc.=
<br>
<br>
So feel free to save hundreds of dollars and for me, huge frustration, by b=
uying an extension cord and a set of plug-in tools.<br>
<br>
How many dead batteries and useless chargers have we all accumulated in our=
shops, anyway??=C2=A0 Just an alternative opinion, feel free to ignore...<=
br>
<br>
Mr Grumpy<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
On 4/10/2016 8:40 AM, David Scheidt wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Bob Spidell <<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell=
@comcast.net" target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Folks,<br>
<br>
I realize this is like bringing up 'best oil' or 'best tires=
9; on a car list,<br>
but I'm in the market for a battery drill/driver/sander/etc. combo to<b=
r>
replace my ancient--but still working--Makita 9V driver-drill.=C2=A0 I want=
<br>
something with all the 'goodies;' I'll need the usual driver/dr=
ill, but also<br>
need a portable sander (belt and/or disc), and at least the option for more=
<br>
attachments.<br>
<br>
I know I probably can't lose with DeWalt, Milwaukee, Makita or even<br>
Craftsman--hell, they might all come out of the same factory in China for<b=
r>
all I know--but would like to see if there's a consensus on best overal=
l.<br>
Is more voltage always better, or is 14.4V better for some reason than<br>
19.2V, etc.?<br>
</blockquote>
Pick the one that comes in the color you like.=C2=A0 I like red, so I have<=
br>
Milwaukee[1].=C2=A0 Consider brushless for your most used tools, they'r=
e<br>
lighter and more powerful, and the price differential is getting<br>
smaller.=C2=A0 Careful buying kits, and make sure you get the version of<br=
>
the kit you want.[2] Some kits are good deals, some aren't.<br>
Drill/driver + something kits tend to be good values, as they're sold<b=
r>
on the drug dealer 'first one is free' model.=C2=A0 Others are more=
<br>
expensive than buying the tool and batteries separately.=C2=A0 And once<br>
you've got a collection of batteries, you don't need one for every<=
br>
tool.<br>
<br>
<br>
Modern Li-ion batteries and tools are far superior to Ni-Cad or NiMH<br>
batteries and tools.=C2=A0 Li-ion batteries have lower self discharge, so<b=
r>
they stay charged better, and they have higher power densities, so the<br>
batteries last longer.=C2=A0 =C2=A0They also have much lower internal<br>
resistance, so tools can take power out of them much faster.=C2=A0 That<br>
means the current crop of high-end 12V stuff is better than any 19.2<br>
nicad tool, in nearly every respect: lighter, smaller, more powerful,<br>
and usually cheaper.=C2=A0 The 18V stuff is amazing; my m18 fuel drill<br>
drills holes faster than my corded drill, which is a nice drill that<br>
I've never thought underpowered or slow.<br>
<br>
A note on voltages:=C2=A0 the lithium cells used in the battery packs of<br=
>
these tools have a nominal voltage of 4v, which is closer to 3.6 under<br>
load.=C2=A0 The 12V tools use 3 cells in series, the 18v tools use 5.<br>
(Dewalt's 20V stuff is 18V, the 20 is just marketing to make it sound<b=
r>
better.)=C2=A0 High capacity packs have two sets of cells in parallel.<br>
Name brand batteries have a pretty good life, and seem to last two to<br>
three years in professional use.<br>
<br>
<br>
[1]The actual reason i have Milwaukee tools is that I used to work<br>
with people who had them, and it meant I could borrow a tool I didn't<b=
r>
own, and use my batteries on it.<br>
<br>
[2] I recently bought a drill/impact set.=C2=A0 The version with the<br>
previous generation tools was still widely available, as was the early<br>
version of the kit I got, which came with lower capacity batteries.<br>
Both were more expensive...<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">
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