I saw a show that mentioned a couple of college students who drove across
the U.S. in a vehicle that uses fast food oils as fuel. They stopped at
places along the way--image the order-- 1/4 pounder with cheese, fries,
coke and 25 gallons of used vegetable oil!!!........ --wayne
At 06:53 PM 3/27/03 -0800, Steve Hanberg wrote:
>Thanks Mark. Thanks interesting information.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mark@noakes.com>
>To: <oletrucks@autox.team.net>
>Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:08 PM
>Subject: [oletrucks] was new CA smog legislation, now alt fuels
>
>
>I work at Oak Ridge National Laboratory (I'm a robotics and remote systems
>type) and
>they are continually interested in alternate fuels.
>
>Our group vehicle is a alcohol fueled F*rd Ranger. It's nearly impossible
>to start in
>cold weather and the fumes are strong enough that I feel like I'm driving
>under the
>influence when I use it. Alcohol fuel requires material changes in the fuel
>system as
>well. Besides all that, it doesn't get as good a gas mileage as regular
>gas...but it's
>clean.
>
>You could go with propane, but then you have to have a big tank and and
>still require
>conversion hardware...and will have access problems to find fuel.
>
>As far as old trucks go, you're best off fighting the legislation...or
>moving out of CA.
>
>In the late 80s, my work support vehicle was an electric minivan. They
>eventually took
>it away from me as being too expensive to maintain compared to gas. Nothing
>has changed
>technology-wise except a slight improvement in inverter technology...the
>cost/performance curve on batteries still isn't there.
>
>A couple of years ago, I worked on the GM FutureTruck project for University
>of TN.
>They ditched the gas V8 for an inline diesel and an electric motor where the
>flywheel
>was. (If you convert to diesel, you could always burn used fast food fryer
>vegetable
>oil...this is for real...but would you want to drive around hungry all the
>time from the
>smell?) It showed promise, but ORNL's evaluation is that hybrids don't
>become cost
>effective (without subsidies) until gas goes to about $4-5 per gallon and
>legislation
>dictates it. We'll see.
>
>And fuel cell vehicles still cost about ten times gas engine vehicle costs.
>
>So you still don't have many options...
>
>Mark Noakes
>
>
>On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Devin Ranger wrote:
>
> >
> > Gack! That's just what I wanted to see! As if they
> > hadn't taken enough! Are these guys getting handouts
> > from the Big Three or something? Ummm, how about an
> > alternative fuel source, guys?
> >
> > Thanks for the heads up, Mark!
> >
> > Drew in NorCal
> >
> > --- mark@noakes.com wrote:
> > > this came off of the early suburban list. you guys
> > > in california might want to check
> > > into the following url and address it:
> > >
> > > <a
>href="http://mail.noakes.com/jump/http://www.smogrfg.com";>http://www.smogrfg
>.com</a>
> > >
> > > basically it's a plan for a reversal of current
> > > rulings on classic car smog exemptions
> > > plus it limits how many miles you can drive an older
> > > car per year. of course, since
> > > many of us have had our trucks apart for years, this
> > > might not matter that much.
> > >
> > > tennessee still doesn't have emissions or safety
> > > inspections...
> > >
> > > Mark Noakes
> > > 58/56 Chevy Suburban
> > > 58 GMC NAPCO pickup
> > > Knoxville,TN
> > > oletrucks is devoted to Chevy and GM trucks built
> > > between 1941 and 1959
> >
> >
> > =====
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>oletrucks is devoted to Chevy and GM trucks built between 1941 and 1959
>oletrucks is devoted to Chevy and GM trucks built between 1941 and 1959
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