morgans
[Top] [All Lists]

Re: +4 Starters

To: Greg Solow <Gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com>, John Blair <jblair@exis.net>
Subject: Re: +4 Starters
From: Ed Herman <edherman@concentric.net>
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:16:53 -0400
Thanks to Greg, John, Fred, everyone.  I didn't realize how interesting this
topic would  be.  It seem like a simple problem, but if you have an old car
these little things are an every day problem.  It's great that you are willing
to help.
Ed.

Greg Solow wrote:

> Your starter has a "bonded" rubber drive that connects the drive gear on the
> starter to the shaft.  The rubber inside the coupling comes unbonded from
> its housing and basically "slips".  I have temporarily repaired them by
> taking them apart and reglueing them together with "superglue" type anerobic
> adhesive.  This "temporary repair has actually lasted many years.  There is
> a replacement drive available for around  $100. 00 that is a good permenant
> fix. I have seen brain dead electrical rebuilders weld this drive up solid
> in an attempt to fix it.  This doesn't work as the stater needs the
> cushioning that the rubber provides.  Without this cushioning effect, the
> teeth of the ring gears get sheared off when you try to start the car.
>
> Regards, Greg      Solow
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John T. Blair <jblair@exis.net>
> To: edherman@concentric.net <edherman@concentric.net>;
> morgans@autox.team.net <morgans@autox.team.net>
> Date: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 3:29 PM
> Subject: +4 Starters
>
> >At 02:20 PM 9/15/99 -0400, ed herman wrote:
> >
> >>I've got the bullet nose type, and the "clutch is not engaging" according
> >>to the locals.
> >
> >
> >Ed,
> >
> >  You say the "clutch is NOT engaging".  When you hit the ign. switch,
> >do you hear the starter spin up, but it doesn't crank then eng?
> >
> >  If so, I won't sware to it, but try cleaning the bendix.  This is a very
> >common problem with the inertial type starters.  My 67 Spit used to do that
> >all the time (well about every 9 mo.)  Simply remove the starter and clean
> >the bendix down using a brush and a good solvent like varsol, etc.  Then
> >wash it off with a hose (as much pressure as you can get).   According to
> my
> >books there really isn't a clutch in the starter.  Check you my article on
> >starters on the Morgan web page (below).
> >
> >Based on this discussion, I'm trying to update the "Starter" article.  But
> >it will be a few days before it is online.
> >
> >John
> >
> >---------------------
> >
> >>
> >>"John T. Blair" wrote:
> >>
> >>> At 08:16 AM 9/15/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >>> >Lorne,
> >>> >    I have a question for the panel.  I took the starter, from my 58
> >>> >DHC, a TR 3, to a well respected repair shop her in Baltimore. They
> have
> >>> >no records on and thing past the 1960s.  How do we get the old Morgan
> >>> >stuff repaired in original condition? What should we be looking for
> when
> >>> >we have a minor repair?
> >>>
> >>> Ed,
> >>>
> >>>   According to my TR3 manual your starter is a Lucas M418G and intertia
> >>> drive type (see article on starters on Morgan web page). There are 2
> >>> types the "eclipse" and the "S" types.  From what I can tell alot of the
> >>> parts for the casings are interchangable (but not the armatures).  The
> only
> >>> visable difference is that the "Eclipse" has a hood over the and the
> actual
> >>> drive mech is different.
> >>>
> >>> The Brushes are Lucas 255659 (for both).  What do you need for it?  I
> don't
> >>> have any parts, but do have some info on them.
> >>>
> >>> John
> >
> >----------------------
> >
> >
> >John T. Blair  WA4OHZ          email:  jblair@exis.net
> >Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229
> >
> >              48 TR1800    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1109)
> >71 Saab Sonett III (71500840)    75 Bricklin SV1 (0887)    77 Spitfire
> >
> >Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan
> >Bricklin: www.bricklin.org
> >
> >
> >


<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>