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Re: taps and dies

To: "MonteMorris" <mmorris@nemr.net>, "MG list" <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: taps and dies
From: Barney Gaylord <barneymg@MGAguru.com>
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 02:27:30 -0600
At 07:26 PM 2/2/03 -0600, MonteMorris wrote:
>.... I was at Sears today and looked at tap and dies sets. .... I saw 
>mostly metric and standard sets, but aren't most of the MG bolts SAE (is 
>this fine threaded?)? I'm not real sure what that even means, but I know 
>that I never have a nut around the shop that will fit anything on the MGs. ....

SAE = Society of Automotive Engineers.  The SAE standard threads are in 
general fine threaded screws, and they are almost exactly the same as UNF 
(Unified National Fine), with the nuts and bolts being genarally 
interchangeable.  SAE threads could be either inch or metric 
dimensions.  However, for your MGB these are nearly all standard inch 
dimension fasteners, not metric.

There are a few exceptions, such as a few carburetor screws, the windscreen 
frame, maybe the wiper motor or an original fuel pump, mostly sloted head 
screws, and maybe thumb nuts holding instruments in the dash with a 
slightly odd thread pitch.  And I suppose others will mention a few more 
odd ones.  These odd ones are most often British Standard Fine with inch 
dimensions but "other" thread pitch.  I don't know if there are any older 
Whitworth standard fasteners on the MGB, but surely not enough to worry 
about.  I have an MGA, and I have no Whitworth tools in my posession (and 
never a need as far as I know).

You should be aware that most of the cross slotted screws on the MG which 
may appear to have Phillips slots are actually PosiDrive screws, and the 
screwdriver bits are significantly different in function (but hard to tell 
apart visually.  Basically the Posidrive screws have straight sided slots 
which will hold the proper driver bit very securely.  Phillips screws and 
driver bits have tapered slots so the driver bits are designed to cam out 
of the slots at a certain torque for ease od production.

For servicing your MG it would be good if you bought a full set of inch 
series taps and dies, particularly the fine threaded ones.  You may find 
inch dimension coarse threads on non-automotive things around the 
home.  Most cars built after 1980 have at least some metric 
fasteners.  Most American cars now have metric fasteners in engines and 
transmissions, but sometimes still use inch size fasteners for accessory 
parts like alternator and air conditioner mounts.

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com

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