Bryce:
I have to step carefully, as the last thing I want to do is
propogate more fallicies. Without a chunk of time researching I can
neither confirm nor deny that Rover is sourcing their fenders from BMHT.
Normally in an instance like that tho' our purchasers are canny enough to be
aware of such an agreement, and we will source direct.
We do sell lots of BMHT sheetmetal, as all kinds of cute
non-obtainable bits are now available. The BMHT stuff usually comes in
standard black with the logo label.
The Rover stuff such as rockers, trunks and fenders is cathodic
protected and finish work seems to be higher than that of the BMHT panels,
so methinks that there is a difference. I did notice that BMHT is using
metric captive nuts in the MGRV8 hood assembly, for what that is worth.
As for quoting me, I don't understand why what I said is so
incredible. We drive hand assembled cars, that were put together from
batches of fabricated pressings. A number of cars that were assembled had
to be pushed off the line for "rectification". I am very impressed that
panels made twenty years after my car was produced fit up to my car at all.
Especially considering the stacks of cut washers used on the original
chassis to space the fender mounting points.
So long as I am quoted in context, as an enthusiast. Not as a
spokesman for Moss Motors, which I am not. I have no problem giving
permission for reprint.
regards
Kelvin.
By the way, I do like your web page. I have to repair dog legs on my car,
and will be trying out some of your tips. The last time I did them on a B
was 1980 and I used fiberglass, live and learn.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BMack [mailto:bmack99@home.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 3:32 PM
> To: Dodd, Kelvin
> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net; Don Hicks and Family
> Subject: RE: Reproduction Fenders from Moss
>
>
> Kelvin,
>
> Though I am only going on information that I have heard, my
> understanding is
> that the original factory tooling for the fenders had been
> destroyed and
> that BMHT/Rover made new dies (though I am sure very precise dies) to
> reintroduce the shell with fenders. Therefore my comment
> about "repro".
>
> It is not uncommon for vehicle manufacturers to re-label
> parts they do not
> personally make with "factory" stickers and sell as OEM even
> though it may
> be the same part manufacturer sold to "Pep-Boys" or "Canadian
> Tire" eg.
> monroe shocks, walker exhaust.
>
> Your explanation of fitting "factory" fenders was incredible
> and I would
> like your permission to post your response on my website
> (with kudo's to
> you) to explain fitting problems, reasons and about the
> factory primers.
>
> "Restoringly" Yours,
> Bryce Mack
> Classic Auto Restoration Services
> BODYWORK - METALFORMING - PREP & PAINT - WOODWORK
> Web Page: http://members.home.net/bmack99/paneldoctor/
> FAQ's - How-To's - Tools
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-mgs@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-mgs@autox.team.net]On
> Behalf Of Dodd, Kelvin
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 10:47 AM
> To: BMack
> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net; Don Hicks and Family
> Subject: RE: Reproduction Fenders from Moss
>
>
> Bryce:
>
> Unless BMHT is now able to legally put ROVER labels on their
> products, then I am assuming that the BGT fenders on the
> shelf here with
> factory labels are original. :)
>
>
> Don:
>
> We have been working with a local customer who has
> installed a pair
> of factory fenders on his 69 MGC. The fit up at the
> windshield edge was
> very difficult to make acceptable. The supplied fenders appear to be
> consistant and it is difficult to tell if this is unique to
> his vehicle or a
> tooling problem.
>
> There is a lot of movement in both the fender and in
> the inner wing
> structure of the vehicle, so fit and adjustment is required any time a
> fender is replaced. You cannot throw any MGB fender on a car
> and just start
> tightening bolts. When you remove a fender you will find all
> kinds of shims
> and sealant used by the factory to get correct fit. If it is
> possible to
> salvage the origininal sheetmetal, then in all cases that is
> the best way to
> go. Today's collision shops are not usually staffed with
> careful fitters
> who are able to correctly fit sheet metal at reasonable labor rates.
> Getting the fit and lines "right" on any LBC is the most difficult
> procedure. I am currently replacing the front fenders on my
> 79B with early
> fenders, so I do understand the problem. The replacement
> factory fenders
> fit pretty well, but the RH one is going to take some careful
> lining up to
> get the door and chrome lines right.
>
> The repro fenders for the BGT are sourced from the UK, typically
> these do have more problems than the factory ones. The bolt
> line stamping
> is also not as nice as the factory ones. They may also have
> metric captive
> bolt threads. Color and consistancy may vary but they are
> suitable for
> everyday use.
>
> The Rover supplied sheet metal does have Cathodic
> protection paint
> coating. The label states to check the instruction manual regarding
> painting. Since I have not seen such a manual I am unable to
> state if the
> coating should be left on the outside panel. Anyone in the
> UK familiar with
> this form of protective coating???
>
> Other supplied sheetmetal such as BMHT panels are
> coated in a thin
> topcoat. This is for rust prevention in transit and storage
> ONLY!! This
> coating is not suitable as a primer as it is not porous, or
> designed for
> good adhesion. These panels should be stripped to bare metal before
> painting and primed with a suitable bare metal primer. Think how many
> greasy fingers have been over these panels before you receive them.
>
>
> Hope this info helps/sets the record straight/makes people
> giddy with joy.
>
> Kelvin.
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Don,
> >
> > No matter what the name or how they badge them, they are both
> > repros, one by
> > BMHT and one out of (probably) Taiwan. Both will require
> fitting, The
> > British Heritage will require LESS fitting. See my MGB Ft.
> > fender repair in
> > the how to section of my website. You may opt to fix than
> > replace.(Hope this
> > helps)
> >
> > "Restoringly" Yours,
> > Bryce Mack
> > Classic Auto Restoration Services
> > Web Page: http://members.home.net/bmack99/paneldoctor/
> > FAQ's Page: http://members.home.net/bmack99/paneldoctor/faq.htm
> >
> > Hello Listers.
> >
> > Did some prep work on one of the BGT fender this am. Looks
> > like it might
> > be easier to replace rather than patch some of the rust spots. I see
> > Moss offers Original Equipment and Reproduction versions of
> > fenders. The
> > reproduction is about 1/2 the price. Has anyone used one of
> > these and if
> > so what how did it compare to the original? Any problems with this
> > route?
> >
> > TIA.
> >
> > Don Hicks
> > 70 MGB GT - "Morris"
> > 74 Midget -
> >
>
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