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Re: patching rust holes? -- Body leading

To: Lawrie Alexander <Lawrie@britcars.com>
Subject: Re: patching rust holes? -- Body leading
From: Art Pfenninger <ch155@FreeNet.Buffalo.EDU>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:02:40 -0500 (EST)
The Eastwood company sells all the supplies and I think they also have a
video on how to do it.
...Art

On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Lawrie  Alexander wrote:

> As always, Barney, you're a fount of knowledge! I have copied your notes to
> a file and will doubtless refer to them when I get to the bodywork stage
> with my MG PA restoration.
> 
> Thanks for taking the time!
> 
> Lawrie
> 
> ----------
> > From: Barney Gaylord <barneymg@juno.com>
> > To: Lawrie@britcars.com
> > Cc: charlie@mars.ark.com; mgs@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: patching rust holes? -- Body leading
> > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 10:47 AM
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:42:55 -0800 "Lawrie  Alexander"
> > <Lawrie@britcars.com> writes:
> > >For us modernists convinced of the efficacy of Bondo, please explain (a)
> > the benefits of lead, (b) where one obtains lead of the proper
> > consistency for this job, (c) what method of heating you use and at what
> > temperatures, and (d) how one prevents gravity from letting molten lead
> > flow straight out of a repair area, for example on the underside of a
> > rocker panel. Inquiring minds want to know....
> > 
> > Wow!  I nearly skipped this one until I noticed the word "lead".  Since I
> > have done this once in my entire life, I'll take a crack at it.  
> > 
> > Lead makes a (very) permanent repair if done right.  It's strong, doesn't
> > rust or corrode, doesn't deteriorate or crack from ultraviolet light or
> > from flexing, and it takes paint well.  It is especially good on a body
> > panel that is subject to stresses and flexing.  The thicker it is
> > applied, the stronger the panel gets.  This is an old technology that is
> > still being used every day.  Many new cars have a leaded joint where the
> > roof (hard top) is attached to the body posts.  It's a vanishing skill,
> > but not a lost art.
> > 
> > I understand the concern of some environmentalists and some health nuts,
> > but the word is, just don't consume the stuff.  If you melt it, drill it,
> > file it, or hand sand it, it falls on the floor and you can sweep it up. 
> > However, if you have in mind to power sand it, you had best have a very
> > good filter respirator mask.
> > 
> > That said, it was not nearly as difficult to do as I had anticipated,
> > took just a few minutes to get the hang of it, then came pretty easy. 
> > The first order of business is to get the steel surface clean and tinned
> > so the lead will stick.  Soldering on aluminum is a lost cause, because
> > as soon as you apply heat it forms an oxide coating that prevents
> > adhesion of the lead.  Once the steel surface is tinned, the rest is a
> > piece of cake.
> > 
> > When lead melts it has a gradual transition from solid to liquid.  It
> > doesn't suddenly flow like melting ice into water.  It behaves more like
> > butter being warmed up until it is soft, the warmer it gets, the softer
> > it gets.  Too cold and you can't work it, too hot and it runs off.  You
> > play the flame of a torch around on the surface to apply heat evenly over
> > a sizable area.  When you get the surface temperature right you can push
> > the lead around with a hardwood spatula like frosting a cake.  You can
> > even apply body lead to vertical surfaces.  An inverted surface would
> > probably be more of a challenge, but not impossible.  Like bondo, you
> > want to build it up slightly above the surface.  Once it cools you just
> > file it to the finished shape, and it's very easy to file.  I understand
> > that the current day skilled technicians on the production line can
> > usually get it smooth enough on initial application without sanding or
> > filing.
> > 
> > The "lead" is actually a tin-lead alloy like solder.  You need the right
> > alloy, either 50-50 or 60-40, I don't recall at the moment, but if you
> > buy it at the body materials supply place you get the right stuff.  It
> > typically comes in half pound bars, long and skinny.  Last time I bought
> > a bunch and only used a little, so I probably have a life time supply
> > left over.  If you're careful, most of it should end up on the car body
> > and very little on the floor, so there should not be much waste.  Don't
> > try using the lead from an old battery or wheel weights, those would be
> > nearly pure lead with no tin.  You would also need a hardwood spatula, a
> > bottle of soldering acid, and some of those little pencil brushes to
> > spread the acid on the hot surface.
> > 
> > My car now has another 10 years and 125,000 more miles on it.  It's ready
> > for a little more body work and a repaint, but that spot with the lead on
> > it still looks like new.
> > 
> > Barney Gaylord
> > 1958 MGA with an attitude
> 


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