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Re: 1978 MGB - Mallory Distributor

To: schooler@erols.com
Subject: Re: 1978 MGB - Mallory Distributor
From: bugide@juno.com (Larry Dickstein)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 22:09:44 EDT
Rob't Allen-
        Mr. Schooler is absolutely right.  Listen to him.

                  Principal Bernouli
 

On Wed, 09 Apr 1997 19:29:33 -0700 Bill Schooler <schooler@erols.com>
writes:
>Robert Allen wrote:
>> (snip)
>> 
>> By golly, you're sure right. MGs use manifold vacuum for their
>> distributor and the carbs are CD -- constant depression (or 
>continuosly
>> drips) so there will always be vacuum on each side of the throttle
>> plate. Curious. That would imply that vacuum advance contributes to
>> total advance even under periods of moederate acceleration. From a
>> traditonal carb perspective, that is pretty strange.
>
>Bob, I've just gotta chime in here because your description of the SU 
>carb as a 
>constant depression device is incorrect.  The ONLY place in the SU 
>where there is a 
>constant depression is right on top of the jet, where the venturi is 
>formed by the jet 
>bridge and the top of the piston.  On the upstream side of that point 
>is atmospheric 
>pressure and on the downstream (engine) side is a varying degree of 
>vacuum, depending 
>upon the position of the throttle plate.  If you take a real close 
>look at an SU HS4 
>carb, with the vacuum port on the rear carb, you will note that this 
>port is just 
>barely on the upstream side of the throttle disk, at idle.  IOW, at 
>idle, there is 
>very little if manifold vacuum available at the takeoff for the 
>distributor vacuum 
>advance.  (That's also why the piston rides low at idle - there's no 
>manifold vacuum 
>available upstream from the throttle plate to lift it.)  Now, when you 
>open the 
>throttle, manifold vacuum is available to the distributor vacuum port 
>on the carb and 
>you get a bit of advance. Wider throttle opening, such as during 
>acceleration, will 
>increase the level of manifold vacuum to that port.  This increased 
>vacuum is also 
>serving to lift the piston.  Yes, the air flow has increased, but the 
>cross-sectional 
>area of the venturi has increased also, thereby preserving the 
>"constant depression" 
>at the jet bridge.  The SU type carb is also known as a Constant 
>Velocity device - 
>again the reference point is the jet bridge.  The air stream over that 
>point has a 
>constant velocity, but a varying size. 
>
>
>Bill Schooler
>69 B/GT
>

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