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Re: Replacing rotors (query)

To: John Bartholomew <jdb70@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>
Subject: Re: Replacing rotors (query)
From: Robert Allen <boballen@sky.net>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:15:53 -0600
John Bartholomew wrote:
>       <snip> 
> When you have the hub and disc off, the outer bearing falls out, look for
> the shim washers that are behind the outer bearing between it and the large
> cylindrical spacer that fits between the inner and outer bearings on the
> axil shaft. There are four sizes of shim washer that you may encounter, 3,
> 5, 10 and 30 thousandths thick. These can be in any combination to provide
> an end float of about 4 thousandths, when the nut is tightened to the
> correct torque. A dial gauge is useful but not essential.
> It is a good idea before pulling it all apart, to get a feel of what the end
> float is like. Grab the disc with your hands on opposite sides and try to
> pull and push on it, sliding it on its axil. There should be just
> perceptible movement, NO movement is not acceptable!  <snip>

Whoa there! I would like to hear some dialog on those lousy shims. Three cars
and several years ago I read carefully the instructions on those shims that 
should 
be fitted between the outer race and the conical spacer. And I read all the 
details on measuring the gap --- and I decided it was all a bunch of hooey.

I think that trying to measure .004 play is impossible because:
1) Once the new assembly is packed with grease you won't feel any and
2) what you do feel is (acceptable) play in the kingpin.

But, anyway, swapped new bearings a long time ago and measured just as careful 
as 
I could and snugged the axle nut back in with all that new grease and could, in 
fact, feel some (minimal) play. But on the first test drive, the new grease 
made 
itself comfortable inside the hub and added some more play and the car steered 
horribly.

I think the only way you could get a realistic measurement is if you assembled 
the 
whole mess dry -- without any grease -- and futzed with the shims until you got 
a 
little play. Then took it all apart again to pack'em with grease. And I still 
don't know how you could attribute 4 thousands to the axle rather than the 
kingpin.

So now I repack the bearings every other year, have long since discarded the 
shims, and just tighten the axle nut like and old Chevy: Torque it down good 
and 
hard to "set" the bearings and then back it off to the second hole in the axle 
crown nut. I've never had a bit of problems in any of my cars.

So what's the scoop? Why would just the British have the shims and are they 
really 
important with modern bearings? If someone want's to tell me the dire 
consequences 
of losing the shims, I guess I'd like to know when they might be showing up. 
They 
haven't in 30,000+ miles.

Bob Allen, '69MGC/GT, Kansas City

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