Yep, We be here!!!
Cheers,
Rick Feibusch
Venice, CA
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RESPONSE TO SPARES TO THE USA FROM UK SITUATION
From: "John Hardy" <hardwire@electract.co.uk>
To: <british-cars-pre-war@autox.team.net>, <Jhalfdime@aol.com>
Subject: Re: SPARES TO THE USA FROM UK
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:54:23 -0600
Reply-To: "John Hardy" <hardwire@electract.co.uk>
Oh boy my favourite subject.
I heartily agree with all the sentiments expressed so far.
I've manged to get product and public liability for North America for my
brakedrums at a cost but it took a lot of cajolary.
The problem is that some silly bastard can sue you for cutting themselves on
the packaging you sent your goods in. Also they can abuse your product and
generally be extremly stupid and, unless you have specifically warned
against each and every stupidity, have a go about that as well.
It really is nightmare.
May the motoring deities guide your contrivances.
John Hardy
www.electract.co.uk
www.brakedrum.co.uk
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Subject: Re: SPARES TO THE USA FROM UK
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 16:00:03 -0600
So, does that mean that after eight years, we can now push for measures to
limit the lawyers??
The U.S. is the only country I am aware of that allows a fat woman to sue a
food company when she places a HOT cup of coffee between her morbidly obese
thighs and then jams on the brakes, burning herself.......
Perhaps now might be a good time to enact some lawyer limits with real
teeth.....otherwise, we are going to cease to advance in the various fields
of endeavor.
Ray McCrary
"Speed is Life;
Of course Luck and Altitude are helpful, too."
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Subject: Re: SPARES TO THE USA FROM UK
Sender: owner-british-cars-pre-war@autox.team.net
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: Barry Lovelock <john.lovelock4@virgin.net>
I have been asked several times recently for a source of supply for Austin
Seven steering arms. My guesswork figures have calculated that at least
50% of the cars on the road may well be driven with cracked arms. This is
based on a fairly large sample of arms tested by a secondhand supplier and
other sources too; I also calculate that 95% of owners don't test their
arms. The word is that no one will supply new, anywhere, because of
product liability worries.
We can place the blame for this soley at the door of our continental
cousins in their ridiculous, inflated, legal settlements which we are now
following! No slur intended,
obviously, but we all suffer in the end. Will it end with a forceble test
on all suspension components say, on cars over ten years old and the
equally forecable removal of such cars when they fail?
Barry Lovelock
<john.lovelock4@virgin.net>
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Subject: Re: SPARES TO THE USA FROM UK
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 00 15:16:38 -0800
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Yep. Several UK companies do not ship to the States because they don't
want to deal with American's notions of litigation as a valid method of
stricking it rich.
It has been going on for years.
TeriAnn
http://www.overlander.net
The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners
with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide.
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From: ARoman4047@aol.com
Subject: spare suits...
Gentlepersons-
A member on another list recalled a big-bucks lawsuit in the marine salvage
trade about ten years ago...Seems a deck winch (itself decades old) was
purchased from a salvage yard and improperly installed. Years later it
failed, causing a death. The manufacturer was successfully sued for
negligence (!).
Precedent set, everything became fair game.
Tony in NJ
where, if I remember correctly, the ratio of lawyers to civilians
is 1:35...OTOH
there's a shortage of nurses...
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From: TATERRY@aol.com
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 19:47:49 EST
Subject: Re: SPARES TO THE USA FROM UK
In a message dated 12/31/00 1:01:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, GJOrmeB@aol.com
writes:
<< Many UK spares companies will refuse to do business with US customers
because of the risk of being sued for product liability in the event of an
accident. >>
This was an issue with the Octagon Car Club selling parts to US members...but
it has been resolved.....so apparently there are solutions. Moss picks up
the liability on the parts that they sell.
Terry Saunders
TATERRY@aol.com
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From: Jhalfdime@aol.com
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 19:58:29 EST
Subject: Re: SPARES TO THE USA FROM UK
I can't believe that there is not an attorney somewhere in the US of A or the
UK, or somewhere, who can't come up with a legal instrument of some kind that
at least limits, if not absolves, sellers from liability issues.
As a driver, sometime vintage racer (semi-fast tourer?), and owner of a
pre and post=war Morgan, I am as concerned as many of us who look forward to
enjoying their cars along with the limitations these cars have always had.
There should be no reason for suppliers to fear litigation so long as their
wares are honestly produced.
Possibly the answer would be for all vintage car owners to band together
to allow for liability free importation (Though the cynical part of my gray
matter envisions alternate scenarios too fearsome to continue).
Let's hope that this turns out to be a temporary stumbling block...may
you all enjoy the Happiest of New Years and New Milleniums as well!
Cheers,
Plug Nichol
Jhalfdime@aol.com
'28 Morgan Aero
'64 Morgan +4 4 place
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Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 22:46:44 -0600 (CST)
From: Martin Frankford <martin@virtual-motors.com>
Graham & Rick,
Thanks for the current state of spares. Sounds like Riley parts are going
to get even harder to find.
However, I wasn't talking about refusing to do business. I was talking
about taking money and not sending product. Then saying product was shipped
only to later say they didn't have the product and refusing to refund
monies. This was during the early 90's
before the onslauth of EU legislation.
Q. Collision with deer and autos is a problem here. Do you know the
difference between a dead laywer and a dead deer?
A. There are skid marks before the deer.
Martin Frankford
<martin@virtual-motors.com>
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