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Re: Thermostat

To: simbafish@home.com
Subject: Re: Thermostat
From: David Littlefield <dmeadow@juno.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:32:32 -0500
Stuart:-

Here is an easy way to eliminate your angst--

Call Blair Engle in Tallahassee.  Send him your thermostat housing and he
will adapt it for a "modern" style thermostat and send it back.  The
service is inexpensive (I think he charges $25) and you can buy
thermostats at your local auto parts store.

Blair Engle 
The Classic MG Shop (904) 385-2821 EVENINGS.Northern Florida
(engle@phy.fsu.edu)

David Littlefield
Houston, TX
'62 MGA MkII
'51 MGTD
'88 Jaguar XJ-S

On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 15:53:59 -0400 Stuart Keen <simbafish@home.com>
writes:
> The original thermostat in my 1951 MGTD MKII is defective and a 
> similar
> type is no longer available. What should I do? Please bare with me 
> as I
> explain in somewhat detail; history and what has been done to date.
> 
> When I purchased the TD, the thermostat was the removable type, it 
> had a
> center brass bolt which bolted to a cross arm in the upper parts of 
> the
> housing. The bolt was affixed to 1) a 1 7/8 inch diameter, 5/8 inch 
> high
> brass band (which affected the flow in the bypass tube) and 2) to 
> the
> thermostat diaphragm. The bottom of the diaphragm was bolted to a 2 
> inch
> diameter flat ring via three supporting arms. This lower ring fitted
> into a grove in the housing. To install, the thermostat was inserted
> through the bottom of the housing until seated and the top bolt was
> inserted in the crossarm and the nut tightened.
> 
> The thermostat was inoperative when I purchased the car. The 
> previous
> owner had soldered the diaphragm in the compressed (open) condition,
> saying that driving in Florida, the thermostat would be open all the
> time anyway. He emphasised the need for some restriction in the 
> water
> flow path. 
> 
> When the engine was rebuilt in January, the machine shop saw the
> soldered thermostat and junked it; ie. returned the TD with no
> thermostat installed. I have the old thermostat but it is in pieces; 
> i.e butchered.
> 
> Being advised I should not drive the TD without a restriction in the
> water flow, I ordered a thermostat from Moss (also tried Abingdon, 
> but
> they had none available). The Moss thermostat was completely 
> different,
> just a flat circular plate with a small thermostat system protruding
> from the center. The replacement fit loosely in the grove in the 
> bottom
> of the thermostat housing, so I flattened the raised edge to make it
> more snug.
> 
> I am concerned about the thermostat since I am about to make a 5,000
> mile trip in the TD. I was about to order a housing with 
> non-removable
> thermostat from Moss, but would like advice first to know if this
> expense is really necessary.
> 
> Last night I read over 200 archived messages about thermostats. The
> common thread is that you should have some restriction in the bypass
> outlet. The original unit provided this with the brass band, but the
> Moss replacement does not provide any restriction. Is control of the
> bypass really necessary if I am driving in a hot climate all year?
> 
> I ask if it is really necessary because I have now driven approx 
> 4,000
> miles with the Moss replacement thermostat installed and with no
> restriction in the bypass outlet. Much of the driving has been in
> Florida, but even here my water temperature gauge (rebuilt several
> months ago by MoMa) never registers higher than 83 deg C, usually in 
> the
> mid to high 70s. The water temperature seems to be okay, so should I
> even be worrying about the quasi thermostat installation in my TD. 
> Am I
> just being a perfectionist and a worry wart?
> 
> I am not even sure I installed the replacement thermostat correctly, 
> but
> it seems to work. The unit is marked with the words "TOP" on the 
> ring,
> with the spring and housing protruding below. This is how I have it
> installed. However, there is an annotation on the side saying "Flow" 
> and
> an upward arrow. What is the direction of water in the system? Is 
> water
> coming from the top of the engine, UP into the thermostat housing 
> and
> then into the top of the radiator to cycle downward and be cooled. 
> For
> some reason I thought it was the reverse. Shows how little I know 
> about cars.
> 
> I am listening to all advice, such as 
> 
> 1) leave well enough alone, the water temperature seems to be okay 
> now
> 
> 2) order a housing with non removable thermostat from Moss
> 
> 3) put some kind of restriction across the bypass opening as 
> suggested
> by some of the archives.
> 
> Thanks for your patience in reading all this detail, for putting my 
> mind
> at ease  and for any suggestions.
> 
> Stu Keen
> Venice, Fl
> simbafish@home.com

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