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Subject: valve train problems
From: "Gene Halvorson" <ghalvorson@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 23:23:10 -0500
Thanks to those who have sent me suggestions on troubleshooting my valve 
train problems on my big block chuby.  I have not yet completed the 
diagnostic workup so there is more to come.  However, I might add that the 
usual issues such as valve to piston clearance, spring bind, correct pushrod 
length for geometry are things I did when I assembled the motor.  I have no 
reason to suspect a change, other than abnormally worn or broken part.  And 
the motor has given me about 1500 miles of good use with numerous high rpm 
spins 
(after a lengthy break in period.)

 

Now, the good doctor has found some new clues:

    1. When I first pulled off the valve cover I 
smelled the inside of the cover.  I didn't like the smell.

    2. As I was looking at the valve train I noticed 
that the rocker that was completely off and the two that were either loose or 
had bent pushrods had nuts that were a different color than the rest.  
I used the nuts that came with the Competition Cams stamped steel roller 
rockers.  They are kind of a anodized gold color.  But those that had 
a problem were black.

    3. Upon further inspection of the problem rockers I 
noticed there was a lot of black carbon deposit on the outside lower part of 
the 
rocker, around the area that the pivot ball is located.  I was surprised to 
see carbon deposits on an engine that has so few miles on it.

    4. Inspection of the pivot balls show galling and 
even discoloration of the matting surface of one  rocker.  It almost 
looks blue.

    5. Oil up through the pushrods is not the 
problem.  The last time I played with the lash while the engine was running 
and the covers were off it looked like I just dumped a quart of oil all over 
the 
engine compartment.  I had to stop because the smoke was too thick to see 
through.  Even with the clips on the rockers.  And, I did check each 
and every rocker to make sure it was getting oil.

 

By now the pieces of the puzzle were falling into place and I already 
suspected the source of the problem but I had to call Comp Cams and run it 
by them anyway.  After I explained the symptoms and my observations the 
first question the guy asked me was "Are you running tall valve covers?"

 

When I bought the engine it had on a set of chrome Edelbrock valve 
covers that are just a bit over stock height.  That is what I 
still run.  They're real purdy lookin!  But sure enough, a closer look 
underneath reveals the lack of a drip rail.  

 

I agree with the Comp Cams guy when he says there isn't a problem 
at low speed but at continues high speed, the oil isn't flowing into the rocker 
cup but is getting flung off onto the cover and is running across the top and 
down the side.  The springs are probably getting lots of oil but the pivot 
ball is not getting enough at high rpm.  At least it's obvious that the 
rockers are not getting enough oil.  And I don't think it's the fault of 
that Melling high volume pump.  I don't use restrictor plugs as I would 
rather pump more oil for a few HP than have happen what is happening.

 

Anyone have a set of valve covers for sale?      I 
do!

--- Gene Halvorson

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