Yea, but he still dies!
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clay, Dale" <Dale.Clay@mdhelicopters.com>
To: "'Dick J'" <lsr_man@yahoo.com>; "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; "Clay,
Dale" <Dale.Clay@mdhelicopters.com>
Cc: "'Dave Dahlgren'" <ddahlgren@snet.net>; "Ed Van Scoy" <edvs@uswest.net>;
"tim schoeny" <tschoen@fuse.net>; "Skip Higginbotham"
<saltrat@pro-blend.com>; "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>;
<land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:39 PM
Subject: RE: Motorcycles
> And lemons and tangerines and ...
>
> "He who dies with the most toys wins." :D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dick J [mailto:lsr_man@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 2:05 PM
> To: Joe Amo; Clay, Dale
> Cc: 'Dave Dahlgren'; Ed Van Scoy; tim schoeny; Skip Higginbotham; John
> Beckett; land-speed@autox.team.net
> Subject: Motorcycles
>
>
> The forty year old Bimmer in my shed has a
> documented 300,000+ miles on it and I couldn't
> even get the high mileage award at the last BMW
> rally I went to! 'Course, that doesn't mean much
> to somebody whose looking for an ET trophy or a
> time slip. Nor does it mean much to a guy who
> wants a Harley, cuz when you want a Harley, you
> just gotta have a Harley.
> Remember: apples and oranges.
>
> Dick J
>
>
>
>
> --- Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com> wrote:
> > """PS: I've got a 50 year old Harley, still
> > running strong. When was the last
> > time you saw even a 20 year old Kawasaki on the
> > street? Yeah, a few maybe
> > and that's cool when you do. """
> >
> > THE POINT BEING, THOSE JAP BIKES YOU SEE THAT
> > OLD RUNNING AROUND, HAVE NOT BEEN
> > APART, HOW MANY TIMES HAS THAT 50 YR OLD MOTOR
> > BEEN APART?, and you must
> > realize that 20 yr old Kaw (and other jap
> > stuff) has run with turbos (Charlie
> > Toy, Don Vesco) with nearly ALL stock internals
> > from 230 to 330 mph!!!!
> >
> > AND when you compare the hp per liter engine
> > size vs miles between rebuilds,
> > well...........................
> >
> > Joe (knowing full well why Harley Factory
> > offers a MOTOR rebuild program for the
> > NEW EVO motors) Amo
> >
> > "Clay, Dale" wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Dave, take it easy on us old air cooled,
> > push rod guys. Your same
> > > arguments could apply to flatheads, but I
> > don't want them to go away!
> > > Different strokes, ya know ...
> > >
> > > Plenty of race Harley's run synthetics (Red
> > Line, Amsoil, Mobile 1, etc.)
> > > and do just fine. One reason I suspect
> > Harley doesn't want you running
> > > synthetics is they have oil refined for them
> > under their own label and a lot
> > > of the new Harley riders are afraid to use
> > anything not recommended by The
> > > Motor Company (emphasis added).
> > >
> > > I'm really glad to see this string take off,
> > good stuff.
> > >
> > > Dale
> > >
> > > PS: I've got a 50 year old Harley, still
> > running strong. When was the last
> > > time you saw even a 20 year old Kawasaki on
> > the street? Yeah, a few maybe
> > > and that's cool when you do. Hey it's like
> > women; some like tall blondes,
> > > some red heads with freckles, some even like
> > the round sort. Vive le
> > > difference!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dave Dahlgren
> > [mailto:ddahlgren@snet.net]
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:30 AM
> > > To: Ed Van Scoy
> > > Cc: tim schoeny; Skip Higginbotham; John
> > Beckett;
> > > land-speed@autox.team.net
> > > Subject: Re: Additives
> > >
> > > Ed you do realize why 90% or all harleys
> > built are still on
> > > the road today don't you?
> > > It's because the other 10% made it home in
> > one piece.......
> > > Aren't these the engines so ineffiecnt that
> > they pretty much
> > > race against themselves. They quote #'s like
> > 120 hp for a
> > > hot rod piece at 110 inches.. geez some kid
> > in a old
> > > Kawasaki street bike can out run that..they
> > might want to
> > > swap that thing out for Chucks old datsun
> > piece..
> > >
> > > And a quiz question for the list what is the
> > largest engine
> > > builder in the world in volume of engines
> > sold per year
> > > sheer number of engines..
> > > Dave Dahlgren
> > >
> > > Ed Van Scoy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > FWIW, Corvette comes from the factory
> > filled with Mobil 1 synthetic, so
> > > they
> > > > obviously aren't worried about break-in.
> > Since we are on this topic,
> > > question for
> > > > bike guys (or others) Do you use synthetic
> > oil? Reason I ask is there is a
> > > raging
> > > > argument in the Harley world about pros &
> > cons of synthetics. Mobil 1
> > > already makes
> > > > an air-cooled engine synthetic.......Lots
> > of manufacturers use
> > > semi-synthetic from
> > > > the factory. Harley will void your warrenty
> > if they find it in your
> > > bike........For
> > > > some reason the manual says that if you
> > find the oil level low on your
> > > Harley &
> > > > Harley oil isn't available, use diesel oil!
> > Can any of you lube-gurus
> > > explain that
> > > > to me?
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Ed
> > > >
> > > > tim schoeny wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My cam grinder and short block builder
> > both recommend "conventional" oil
> > > for
> > > > > break-in and then(if you want) synthetic
> > for racing..Honda rings take
> > > forever to
> > > > > seat and starting out with syn. is not
> > recommended.Just what I do.
> > > > >
> > Tim
> > > Schoeny
> > > > >
> > > > > Skip Higginbotham wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > By the way, if you put Pro-blend in a
> > new engine's oil it will take
> > > about 5
> > > > > > times longer to break the rings in.
> > Guess where the benefit is? Better
> > > > > > lubrication.
> > > > > > S
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not true, John.
> > > > > > Break-in should take about 10% longer
> > but there is no reason not to
> > > use the
> > > > > > oil.
> > > > > > Skip Higginbotham
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At 01:58 PM 1/10/01 , you wrote:
> > > > > > >It was my understanding the synthitic
> > oils of any kind are a NO NO in
> > > new
> > > > > > >componets. They do not allow the
> > proper break-in to take place, and
> > > should
> > > > > > >only be used in components after the
> > normal break-in has been
> > > finished.
> > > > > > >What say ye?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >John Beckett
> > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >From: "DOUG ODOM" <popms@thegrid.net>
> > > > > > >To: "Chris R Harris"
> > <yesford@clear.net.nz>
> > > > > > >Cc: "land-speed"
> > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:23
> > PM
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: Additives
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Chris; Slick 50 is nothing more than
> > Dupont Teflon repackaged. In
> > > the
> > > > > > >> states we can buy the K-mart teflon
> > for less money and it's the
> > > same
> > > > > > >> thing. A friend of mine did some
> > testing with mobil one and teflon
> > > on
> > > > > > >> the dyno. He said he made the most
> > power with one Quart mobil one
> > > and
> > > > > > >> five quarts teflon. The bearings
> > never took a hit. I thought about
> > > using
> > > > > > >> it myself instead of straight mobil
> > one but I guess I lack the
> > > testicle
> > > > > > >> fortitude. I have used Amsoil in
> > transmissions and rear ends with
> > > good
> > > > > > >> luck but the one time I tried it in
> > a motor it started to wear the
> > > > > > >> bearings. Change back to Valvoline
> > 50w and the bearings
> > > (vandervell) ran
> > > > > > >> all season with no wear. Just my 2
> > cents
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