Shoot Tim.... I think the ECTA is Easy....Talk to John Beckett...Bill
Mackey... Lionel Williams... Joe Timney.... and if your still on your feet
then....maybe something will change....
Being on your feet is directly Proportional to the amount of Beer one
brings to the Inquisition.... K
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> From: tim schoeny <tschoen@fuse.net>
> To: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>
> Cc: Dan Warner <dwarner@electrorent.com>; land-speed@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: Dan Warner
> Date: Thursday, January 04, 2001 3:35 PM
>
> This disscussion (how rules are made and changes/suggestions handled) has
caused
> me to ask the same question of ECTA.How does one impact the ECTA
process?In
> general I don't have any serious problems with the status quo-but I have
no idea
> who's in charge of what concering the process.Dan's insight on SCTA was
very
> helpfull-would someone from ECTA comment on their process?
> Tim Schoeny
>
> Keith Turk wrote:
>
> > First and Foremost I didn't mean to put you on the spot Dan.... You
also
> > are a Volunteer... and someone I consider a Personal Freind... Just by
Being
> > here and helping out with questions you lend a Tremendous Credibity to
this
> > Group... and For the Benifet of the new folks here.... I am sure I
speak for
> > the masses when I say " Thank you" I have said it before many times...
but
> > it deserves to be said more often...
> >
> > Thank you for taking the time to explain this to us Again....
> >
> > Keith Turk ( hey Dan.... I do appreciate it...)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dan Warner" <dwarner@electrorent.com>
> > To: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
> > Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 11:51 AM
> > Subject: Re: Rules/wankel engine size factor.........
> >
> > > Keith & list,
> > >
> > > Of course you have a vote! Now with the internet more than ever. We
have
> > > covered this before but, for the new people here we go.
> > >
> > > There is available at each SCTA/BNI/USFRA meet a Rule Change form.
This is
> > > in the registration/impound area. It is not a requirement that this
form
> > be
> > > used.
> > >
> > > There is published in the rule book a rule change cutoff date, this
is
> > > usually the end of October. This gives me time to collect all the
> > requests,
> > > put them into order and prepare the rules committee members for up
coming
> > > meetings. We generally have two meetings in November to discuss and
> > > formulate proposed rules changes.
> > >
> > > I then put these changes into the format they will appear in the
rulebook
> > to
> > > present to the Board of Directors for voting at the first meeting in
> > > December. This will ensure that the rulebook can be published in
January.
> > >
> > > There is a published list of Committee Chairpersons in the SCTA
> > newsletter,
> > > the Straightaway News. These people can be contacted for any rules
> > > clarifications or suggested change input. The head tech persons for
2001
> > > will again be Steve Batchelor for cars and Dale Martin for
motorcycles.
> > > Their contact information can be found in the 2000 rulebook. If they
> > cannot
> > > answer a question they can point you to the correct committee for a
more
> > > detailed explanation. All committee and board persons are unpaid
> > volunteers.
> > > Unfortunately we cannot force a volunteer to become internet active.
> > >
> > > With the advent of the internet and this list our little world has
become
> > > ever smaller. Way back in the '70s when I started LSR the rules were
done
> > in
> > > one night by two people from Southern Cal. and approved without
question.
> > >
> > > Our rules committee now has representation from each category,
Special
> > > Construction, Vintage, etc., the USFRA and the ECTA. Through email
ideas
> > can
> > > be freely exchanged and valuable input from the entrants evaluated.
> > >
> > > Plans are being formulated for 2001 to improve the process by
addressing
> > > each suggestion as it is proposed and becoming proactive. We will put
all
> > > valid change suggestions out to committee for review as it comes in.
This
> > > way the suggested change can become a solid recommendation with input
from
> > > the originator and other interested parties.
> > >
> > > When making a change suggestion it is helpful that you do some
research.
> > > Indicate the old rule and why you think it should be changed with
> > > suggestions as to how it should be changed.
> > >
> > > I think I have run on enough - if there any questions pertaining to
the
> > > rules process, please feel free to post them.
> > >
> > > Dan Warner
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>
> > > To: Dave Dahlgren <ddahlgren@snet.net>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>;
Lee
> > > Kennedy <leekenn@pacbell.net>; Dan Warner <dwarner@electrorent.com>;
Mike
> > > Manghelli <mmanghel@hughes.net>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 5:18 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Rules/wankel engine size factor.........
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dave I really don't have a dog in this fight... But I would like to
see
> > > some
> > > > of the questions you posed answered....
> > > >
> > > > Like how do I change a Rule? What are the Procedures? Who do I
> > contact?
> > > > What do I have to Write? What Proof has to be Given of my claim?
> > > >
> > > > And in My humble opinion..... DO WE HAVE A VOICE?
> > > >
> > > > I think all concerned here agree that the whole Bonneville
Experience is
> > > an
> > > > Amatuer and Volunteer effort.... As such do the folks seeking
records on
> > > the
> > > > salt have a Voice? Can we submit and or seek changes to the
rules...
> > and
> > > if
> > > > we do can we expect a fair and honest appraisal of our words? I
think
> > > it's
> > > > important to the health of our sport...
> > > >
> > > > Keith Turk
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Dave Dahlgren" <ddahlgren@snet.net>
> > > > To: <land-speed@autox.team.net>; "Lee Kennedy"
<leekenn@pacbell.net>;
> > "Dan
> > > > Warner" <dwarner@electrorent.com>; "Mike Cook"
<beauty1@hughes.net>;
> > "Mike
> > > > Manghelli" <mmanghel@hughes.net>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 7:06 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Rules/wankel engine size factor.........
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > To all that might be interested...
> > > > > It's been over 24 hrs... Not a word although 178 previous
> > > > > e-mails on the subject not counting the ones i wrote.... Not
> > > > > even a public show of hands from people here that are in
> > > > > support, against and or think this needs to be addressed..
> > > > > message received.. I have my own theories as to why it is so
> > > > > quiet on this subject, but in general for peace and harmony
> > > > > and good will to all i think the wise thing to do is just
> > > > > keep them to myself. everybody have a good day, stand tall
> > > > > if you can and if you can't, avoid mirrors as they never
> > > > > lie.
> > > > > Dave Dahlgren (where it is 8:00 am EST)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave Dahlgren wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It has been said that there is a rules meeting in Jan. What
> > > > > > do I have to do to bring up a rules change for the
> > > > > > Wankel(aka rotary) engine size factor for serious
> > > > > > discussion? It has been e-mailed to death all over this
> > > > > > group and to many individuals with all sorts of information
> > > > > > to support it. can this be done via e-mail? if so to whom? i
> > > > > > honestly think that waiting another year is a complete
> > > > > > dis-service to the members of the LSR community that are
> > > > > > interested or might consider building a car that uses on of
> > > > > > these cheap and readily available power plants.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So how is it done?
> > > > > > Can it be done?
> > > > > > Can it be done by phone or fax or e-mail?
> > > > > > Is there any interest in changing this rule?
> > > > > > Is there any information lacking that has not been passed
> > > > > > around on the net?
> > > > > > Does anyone that makes the rules have any questions at all
> > > > > > or is there any info that I have left out in all the
> > > > > > e-mails?
> > > > > > Out of the people that have been included in this e-mail is
> > > > > > anyone that helps make these decisions been left out?
> > > > > > If so how are they contacted?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am hoping for a free exchange of ideas on this subject
> > > > > > with some honest thought involved that is based on facts not
> > > > > > history and personal feelings. I personally find it very
> > > > > > hard to believe that FIA and SCCA is all screwed up in their
> > > > > > use of engine factors of 2.1......... They have very good
> > > > > > engineers that work on these subjects on a regular basis and
> > > > > > represent both national and inter-national competition.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If the answers to the above questions are no there is no
> > > > > > interest and there is no desire to change anything or even
> > > > > > consider any change for the benefit of the LSR community or
> > > > > > to align SCTA with the rest of the world, please do me a
> > > > > > small favor, actually two small favors.
> > > > > > First is let that feeling be known publicly on the net at
> > > > > > this e-mail group accompanied with the reasons why it can
> > > > > > not or will not be changed along with the facts that made
> > > > > > this decision the correct one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The other favor is small but personal, please leave off any
> > > > > > personal attacks. I am not up to another tirade of being
> > > > > > called a "Hot Shot wanna-be engineer" or sending out a bunch
> > > > > > of crap! I do at times find great humor in it though when i
> > > > > > watch Speedvision and ESPN and cars that I have supplied
> > > > > > parts, done design work or personally tuned are very busy
> > > > > > winning.....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dave Dahlgren
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