Tim
Again, sorry, the car was not illegal for the "class", and had the proper
safety equipment for the speed category entered. The proper punishment, as
per the rule book, was administered when he ran out of his speed category.
John Beckett
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Schoeny" <tschoen@fuse.net>
To: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: 150mph club & attracting new members
> I don't want to belabor this but there is an important point(at least to
me)to
> be made.The car ran 148 MPH and did not meet general safety requirements
such as
> page 14 of the rules which clearly state that "All closed cars between 125
and
> 150 MPH must have a 4 point rollbar." or page 20 which states"all cars
with
> automatic or planetary type transmissions shall be equipped with a
ballistic
> transmission blanket of approved metal shield meeting SFI 4.1
certification." or
> alternately "all cars over 125 MPH ,including rear engined cars with
> non-automatic transmissions, must be equipped with a 360 degree 1/4 "
steel
> clutch shield." If a car is illegal for class racing,it should be running
"time
> only". Why this is germain to "trying to get more(new and/ or younger)
people
> involved in the sport(with quality equipment)" as you mention below ,is
because
> those people expect an organization to live by it 's rules.As soon as they
find
> out they really didn't have to go by the book in car construction and
other
> competitors can run whatever they want in your class they're not going to
be
> very happy or likely to recommend it to their friends.As you know,I really
don't
> care about that particular record-some one would have gotten it soon
> anyway.Mostly I run for fun -but I do adhere to the rules and expect
potential
> competitors to also.I'm not taking a shot at anyone here just pointing out
an
> incosistency.Whew must have been the hot sauce at lunch!
> Tim
>
>
> John Beckett wrote:
>
> > Tim
> >
> > Don't know how germane this is to attraction new members, but allowing
said
> > car to run in the 125 MPH category and allowing the record to stand are
two
> > different issues. The car was not illegal for the class. And there is no
> > penalty provision for such an infraction in the rule book other than not
> > allowing him to return again in that configuration.
> >
> > John Beckett
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tim Schoeny" <tschoen@fuse.net>
> > To: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > Cc: "Ed Van Scoy" <edvs@uswest.net>; "Jonathan Amo"
> > <webmaster@landracing.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 5:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: 150mph club & attracting new members
> >
> > > Hey John I hear you-but why then was a certain Vette allowed to run
C/GT
> > with
> > > virtually NO safety equipment at the Maxton May meet and it's record
> > allowed to
> > > stand.I "ran up" in C/GT at the meet with my $1,000 fire
> > > suit/helmet/gloves/boots and roll cage/dual fire system/etc.If were
going
> > to
> > > talk the talk let's walk the walk.And yes I was a little pi--ed.
> > > Tim Schoeny
> > >
> > > John Beckett wrote:
> > >
> > > > List
> > > >
> > > > This is an interesting situation and needs more discussion. We (LSR)
are
> > > > trying to get more (new and/or younger) people involved in the sport
> > (with
> > > > quality equipment) and as I understand it the 130/150 Club was
> > implemented
> > > > to attract them.
> > > >
> > > > It's absolutely amazing how many people call me at the ECTA and want
to
> > know
> > > > about running their "1999 SpeedSport Whatever" at 200 MPH without
roll
> > > > cage/bars, fire system, fire suit, etc. "I just want to try it out
and
> > see
> > > > what it will do". Obviously they have the money to go fast, or they
> > wouldn't
> > > > have the "SpeedSport Whatever", but I guess it's just a lark for
them
> > > > without any serious commitment. But if they could run how many would
be
> > > > hooked?? To big a risk to find out? I don't know what the answer
is???
> > Can't
> > > > shy away from safety rules.
> > > >
> > > > The bike guys seem to be the most active new members back east. Of
> > course
> > > > all they need is the bike, riding leathers and helmet. Much cheaper
> > > > investment than a car so more come out to give it a try. The average
guy
> > can
> > > > walk into most any Motorcycle Dealership and walk out with 200 MPH
> > scooter
> > > > today.
> > > >
> > > > ECTA is trying a new 'Street Class' this year. Simply put it has to
be
> > > > street legal, tags, insurance, mufflers etc., with proper safety
> > equipment
> > > > for the speed levels run. Seems to have drawn interest from those
who
> > don't
> > > > fit or don't understand the /PRO, /GC or /ALT rules. Time will tell.
> > > >
> > > > John Beckett, ECTA
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ed Van Scoy" <edvs@uswest.net>
> > > > To: "Jonathan Amo" <webmaster@landracing.com>
> > > > Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 11:21 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: WOS 150mph club
> > > >
> > > > > Jon,
> > > > > I try to push this program with my road racing cronys, but they
think
> > 150
> > > > > mph is too slow! Little do they know the problems involved in
going
> > fast
> > > > on
> > > > > salt. In 1993, the first year I took my street car up there, the
best
> > I
> > > > > could get out of it was 141 mph, yet, it had run 180 mph in the
Silver
> > > > State
> > > > > race 2 days before! (yes it was down hill) In 1994 (yeah, I know
the
> > > > program
> > > > > says 1995, but who cares) I brought the Vette I am now racing to
run
> > the
> > > > 150
> > > > > Club. It was street-legal & licensed , and was originally built to
run
> > the
> > > > > Unlimited Class in the Silver State races. I ran 159 first pass &
had
> > so
> > > > > much fun I promptly forgot about using it for road racing & went
back
> > to a
> > > > > stock (?) ZR-1 for Silver State. I still try to promote it
because I
> > > > think
> > > > > it is a great entry door to this sport. USFRA is a bit gun-shy
about
> > this
> > > > > program (and I don't blame them) as one idiot can screw up and
spoil
> > the
> > > > > whole deal for all of us. Yes, you CAN crash at 150 MPH with
> > disasterous
> > > > > results, contrary to the thinking of those who have never driven
on
> > salt.
> > > > > If I was USFRA, I would keep the program, as I see it as a great
> > promotion
> > > > > tool, but I would change the rules to make it mandatory to make
the
> > 130
> > > > Club
> > > > > before turning a driver loose on the salt at up to 159.999 mph,
per
> > > > current
> > > > > rules. Just my .02 worth..............................
> > > > > Ed
> > > > >
> > > > > Jonathan Amo wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > List,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For those of you who run during WOS. How come we only have 10
> > members in
> > > > > > the 150 mph club. Seems that most of us can be in the club, why
not
> > be
> > > > > > in there. I know alot of people run faster than that, but its
still
> > in a
> > > > > > honor to be in the club.
> > > > > > If bike runs well during WOS and we make it there, I would be
more
> > than
> > > > > > happy to join the club members of Ed Van Scoy and Ron
Christenson in
> > > > > > this club, and run the bike.
> > > > > > Any comments on this?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jonathan Amo
> > > > > > www.landracing.com
> > > > >
> > >
>
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