Keith,
You made my statement with your statement...
"Jon I totally disagree.... Which is why God Made Apples and Oranges...."
You are right apples and oranges are different but they are all in SAME class
called FRUIT.. :))
Who said GOD made apples and oranges anyway, blahhhh thats a whole different
story...
Jonathan Amo
www.landracing.com
Keith Turk wrote:
> Jon I totally disagree.... Which is why God Made Apples and Oranges....
>
> I think the Multipul Classes are Great.... 4 Cars ran in my class at Muroc
> and I don't know how many at speedweek but more then 4 I can think of....
> and we are all chasing the same record...
>
> Now when it comes to Motorcycles.... well that is your guys deal.... Scotty
> has some amazing talents for Class calls.... and unfortunatly I have to
> compete head to head with him for the Points Championship.... Welcome to the
> ECTA and No Seperation between Scooters and Cars... Ain't Life Grand....
>
> We all got our pet Peeves.... I just want to go fast.... K
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jonathan Amo" <webmaster@landracing.com>
> To: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> Cc: ""\"LandSpeed\" Louise Ann Noeth"" <lanspeed@west.net>;
> <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Attracting new comers/ Classes
>
> > After stating my opinions below on this subject. Lets put an example at
> the
> > table. Lets look at a few examples here. If you look at the records for
> > motorcycles. Look at the the cc classes of 50cc. Production is Production,
> to
> > many thing can be done to this to make it a non production which defeats
> the
> > purpose of the class designated name. Ok now on to A (altered) and M
> (modified)
> >
> > if you look these speeds in these classes are all within 3 mph of each
> other.
> > Which brings on another dilemma. Class jumping. But why not combine these
> > classes into one? and have MPS (modified partial streamline) into another,
> and
> > streamliner. Who cares what you use to "fuel" the beast.
> > Now lets look at Land Speed Racing king on class jumping (meaning no
> disrespect,
> >
> > but facts are facts) Scott Guthrie. He starts of in a M-F class gets the
> record
> >
> > jumps to M-G, then on to MPS-F and MPS-G and A-F and A-G and setting the
> record
> > virtually identical, with the same bike. Even into the blown categories
> also.
> > But lets face it Scott hold the most Land Speed Records than anyone else
> in the
> > sport. He does his homework. and still setting records on the East Coast.
> > Where this is going I dont know, but what I am saying is you go to these
> event
> > for getting a land speed record, what this sport lacks of is
> competitiveness. We
> >
> > had around 300 entries for speedweek, but how many ran in the same
> classes? What
> >
> > I would say is maybe combine the classes make it more competitive, and
> thats
> > what draws people back or new people in. But then again the paper that
> says
> > "Land Speed Record Holder" does to, but lets face it you explain that to
> your
> > friends and it turns to fuel for your fireplace. How many people were in
> your
> > class? Just me. What speed did you beat? Open Record. Combine the classes
> and
> > the competitiveness is there. If you are just a G racer dont be alarmed,
> Tom
> > Elrod (long time veteran) running in the 1350cc M-BG class ran 154 mph,
> 24 mph
> > less than the M-G class where Ron Cook set the record at 178 mph.
> > Lets look at another Scott Guthrie record in the 750cc class, running in
> M-G
> > class running 161.710 mph, in the M-F class J Long running 167 mph. That
> would
> > have made a good competition then. Combine the classes make it more
> competitive
> > and thats what would bring people back or in to the sport, or was it the
> piece
> > of paper that did?
> > As we have seen in the sport, alot of times the more intuitive one seems
> to
> > prevail. Money can buy knowledge, and money can run out with it would be
> the
> > knowledge. But a persons own ideas can never run out.
> > I also have other thoughts on this but I will keep them to myself, not
> stirring
> > up any fires within the land speed world.
> > Any comments on this is very welcome, and any personal comments to me for
> > stating this....
> >
> > Jonathan Amo
> > www.landracing.com
> >
> >
> >
> > John Beckett wrote:
> >
> > > OK, now that's the kind of comments I was hoping to elicit.
> > >
> > > John Beckett
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jonathan Amo" <webmaster@landracing.com>
> > > To: ""LandSpeed" Louise Ann Noeth" <lanspeed@west.net>
> > > Cc: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>; "Ed Van Scoy"
> > > <edvs@uswest.net>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 3:31 PM
> > > Subject: Attracting new comers/ Classes
> > >
> > > > Louise and list,
> > > >
> > > > Thy new blood we seek, we want to seek safe. But the newcomers
> attitiude
> > > > can be shallowed without lightening the rules is the 130 mph club. You
> > > > need little to become a member, and they will have the taste of Salt
> Flats
> > > > Racing. This alone will have the effect of, would I like to go faster.
> 9
> > > > times out of 10, sure I would. Well you have these guidelines to go
> by. I
> > > > think the 130 mph and 150 mph are excellent ideas and only wish they
> would
> > > > promote more with them. Campaign them along with the World of Speed
> event.
> > > > Looking at the cover of event programs, and calanders there is nothing
> > > > there to promote it. Should one read into the program you will see it
> > > > there, along with the Bar Stool Racing.
> > > > What we need is a person like yourself Louise, to write an article on
> it
> > > > and see if we can get it published somewhere outside of land speed
> > > > racing's circle. To gather some attention. I would be glad to put it
> on
> > > > the site.
> > > > As many would say we need to do something for the fear of our sport
> may be
> > > > hanging on only be a few threads. All we need to do is get it out,
> most
> > > > think you need alot of money, to get something to run there. Our team
> Team
> > > > Amo proves you dont need alot of money to get there, just a damn good
> > > > goal, and alot of interest.
> > > > As I have explained our sport to many around the world, the one thing
> that
> > > > does defer them away, is they think about a Land Speed Record, and the
> > > > amount of classes there already are, they say there are to many.. I
> would
> > > > have to agree with them on that, and the amount of classes does seem
> to be
> > > > getting out of hand.
> > > > It would further say that I respect every part of the sport, but....
> there
> > > > are to many classes. Lets say Land Speed Racing started today and I
> was
> > > > the president (yeah right), I would make engine and body classes, but
> no
> > > > seperate classes for Fuel and Gas, blown or unblown. Hey you do
> whatever
> > > > it takes to get the record for your engine and body class. Everything
> > > > class would be a fuel class. You would use whatever you need to get
> the
> > > > speed, dont call it unfair, you have the same rights to use whatever
> > > > power, fuel, injected means known to man for yourself too.
> > > > But then again, because the ease of creating new classes, and the
> break
> > > > down of fuel, gas, blown, unblown, is this what keeps the newcomers
> > > > coming.
> > > >
> > > > Jonathan Amo
> > > > www.landracing.com
> > > >
> > > > \"LandSpeed\" Louise Ann Noeth wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > John/list,
> > > > >
> > > > > I think we polled ourselves, you would find plenty of folks who have
> > > > > been approached with the ubiquitous, "I just want to see what it
> will
> > > > > do" comment. I believe this attitude is the product of a society
> that
> > > > > offers too many choices, where "a taste, or a sample" often
> > > > > constitutes little more than a notch in their life's experience
> > > > > roster. For those adventures that require time, effort, dedication
> and
> > > > > thoughtful planning, the game remains the same -- safety first.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would hope and support all actions by any sanctioning body to keep
> > > > > safety paramount in its operation and not succumb to the temptation
> of
> > > > > easing the rules just to gather some "new blood" which, as we all
> > > > > understand, can easily become "spilled" in an instant.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have witnessed the horrified reaction of some of the folks who
> would
> > > > > like to find a way to skirt the rules when a car, or worse, a bike
> has
> > > > > tumbled on the lakes or the salt. Just as it has for decades, the
> > > > > misfortune of others serves to teach an indelible and far-reaching
> > > > > lesson insofar as safety is concerned when "trying to see how fast
> it
> > > > > will go." I believe we call it, "reality" -- the possible and the
> > > > > probable.
> > > > >
> > > > > Speedy Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > "LandSpeed" Louise Ann Noeth
> > > > >
> > > > > LandSpeed Productions
> > > > > Telling stories with words and pictures
> > > > > ------------------------o0o--------------------------
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > > > > To: "Ed Van Scoy" <edvs@uswest.net>; "Jonathan Amo"
> > > > > <webmaster@landracing.com>
> > > > > Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 8:17 AM
> > > > > Subject: 150mph club & attracting new members
> > > > >
> > > > > > List
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is an interesting situation and needs more discussion. We
> (LSR)
> > > > > are
> > > > > > trying to get more (new and/or younger) people involved in the
> sport
> > > > > (with
> > > > > > quality equipment) and as I understand it the 130/150 Club was
> > > > > implemented
> > > > > > to attract them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's absolutely amazing how many people call me at the ECTA and
> want
> > > > > to know
> > > > > > about running their "1999 SpeedSport Whatever" at 200 MPH without
> > > > > roll
> > > > > > cage/bars, fire system, fire suit, etc. "I just want to try it out
> > > > > and see
> > > > > > what it will do". Obviously they have the money to go fast, or
> they
> > > > > wouldn't
> > > > > > have the "SpeedSport Whatever", but I guess it's just a lark for
> > > > > them
> > > > > > without any serious commitment. But if they could run how many
> would
> > > > > be
> > > > > > hooked?? To big a risk to find out? I don't know what the answer
> > > > > is??? Can't
> > > > > > shy away from safety rules.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The bike guys seem to be the most active new members back east. Of
> > > > > course
> > > > > > all they need is the bike, riding leathers and helmet. Much
> cheaper
> > > > > > investment than a car so more come out to give it a try. The
> average
> > > > > guy can
> > > > > > walk into most any Motorcycle Dealership and walk out with 200 MPH
> > > > > scooter
> > > > > > today.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ECTA is trying a new 'Street Class' this year. Simply put it has
> to
> > > > > be
> > > > > > street legal, tags, insurance, mufflers etc., with proper safety
> > > > > equipment
> > > > > > for the speed levels run. Seems to have drawn interest from those
> > > > > who don't
> > > > > > fit or don't understand the /PRO, /GC or /ALT rules. Time will
> tell.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John Beckett, ECTA
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Ed Van Scoy" <edvs@uswest.net>
> > > > > > To: "Jonathan Amo" <webmaster@landracing.com>
> > > > > > Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 11:21 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: WOS 150mph club
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jon,
> > > > > > > I try to push this program with my road racing cronys, but they
> > > > > think 150
> > > > > > > mph is too slow! Little do they know the problems involved in
> > > > > going fast
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > salt. In 1993, the first year I took my street car up there, the
> > > > > best I
> > > > > > > could get out of it was 141 mph, yet, it had run 180 mph in the
> > > > > Silver
> > > > > > State
> > > > > > > race 2 days before! (yes it was down hill) In 1994 (yeah, I know
> > > > > the
> > > > > > program
> > > > > > > says 1995, but who cares) I brought the Vette I am now racing to
> > > > > run the
> > > > > > 150
> > > > > > > Club. It was street-legal & licensed , and was originally built
> to
> > > > > run the
> > > > > > > Unlimited Class in the Silver State races. I ran 159 first pass
> &
> > > > > had so
> > > > > > > much fun I promptly forgot about using it for road racing & went
> > > > > back to a
> > > > > > > stock (?) ZR-1 for Silver State. I still try to promote it
> > > > > because I
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > > it is a great entry door to this sport. USFRA is a bit gun-shy
> > > > > about this
> > > > > > > program (and I don't blame them) as one idiot can screw up and
> > > > > spoil the
> > > > > > > whole deal for all of us. Yes, you CAN crash at 150 MPH with
> > > > > disasterous
> > > > > > > results, contrary to the thinking of those who have never driven
> > > > > on salt.
> > > > > > > If I was USFRA, I would keep the program, as I see it as a great
> > > > > promotion
> > > > > > > tool, but I would change the rules to make it mandatory to make
> > > > > the 130
> > > > > > Club
> > > > > > > before turning a driver loose on the salt at up to 159.999 mph,
> > > > > per
> > > > > > current
> > > > > > > rules. Just my .02 worth..............................
> > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jonathan Amo wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > List,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For those of you who run during WOS. How come we only have 10
> > > > > members in
> > > > > > > > the 150 mph club. Seems that most of us can be in the club,
> why
> > > > > not be
> > > > > > > > in there. I know alot of people run faster than that, but its
> > > > > still in a
> > > > > > > > honor to be in the club.
> > > > > > > > If bike runs well during WOS and we make it there, I would be
> > > > > more than
> > > > > > > > happy to join the club members of Ed Van Scoy and Ron
> > > > > Christenson in
> > > > > > > > this club, and run the bike.
> > > > > > > > Any comments on this?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jonathan Amo
> > > > > > > > www.landracing.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
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