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Re: Motor Damage

To: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
Subject: Re: Motor Damage
From: Ed Van Scoy <edvs@uswest.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:39:51 -0700
Sometimes "puny" is a real cool deal - especially at nearly 2 Bills on 2 wheels!
Ed


Joe Amo wrote:

> Ed, that "puny" bottle shoved over 2.1 hp of nitrous assist/1 cubic inch
> engine displacement and we were fortunate enough to do it  for over 3 miles,
> not 3 sec, and I did not have any "tuning" holes, a 350 ci motor with 225 hp
> of nitrous is 0.64 hp of nitrous assist/cubic inch of displ.      Yeah I
> remember tuning with hole/crater analysis....no the edge is rounded...no its
> jagged...no the jagged edge came first then the rounded..................No
> doubt Keith will get it figured out, I have no doubt          Joe :)
>
> Ed Van Scoy wrote:
>
> > Oh yeah, I almost forgot - Another classic - Joe Amo "Trick or Treating" for
> > nitrous.
> > Going from pit to pit with an empty ( a puny one at that) bottle with the 
>line
> > "Anybody got some spare NOS?"  No, but I got duct tape for that gash on your
> > hand.........................
> > Ed
> >
> > Joe Amo wrote:
> >
> > > Keith,  in response to: "if you run a 225hp Nitrous hit on 4 degrees of 
>retard
> > > for less then 3 seconds... you Burn a Hole about 1/4 X1/8 in the top of 
>the #2
> > > Piston."    I  would argue that you cannot blame it completely on the 
>ignition
> > > timing, I feel that the burning sensation the piston felt was a result 
>more of a
> > > lean mixture than timing, Mr. Dahlgren...others....what do you think?
> > >
> > > You guys gave me crap when I said I used alot of bandaids this time of 
>year,
> > > well who needs a stinking compression gauge, we didnt need no stinking
> > > compression guage, on the last thrash the day of the last qualifing runs 
>we
> > > fired it up, and when we shut it off and reached for the tool box for the
> > > regularly scheduled compression and or leak down check, we all looked at 
>each
> > > other with the realization that it didnt matter what the gauge said, "WE 
>WERE
> > > RUNNING IT" so why the hell even look (no time to do anything about it if 
>it was
> > > low)?  first miles on the motor netted 193.9 running out of nitrous (2 
>mph over
> > > the record), next morning WELL over the record again ran out of nitrous, 
>can
> > > there ever be enough nitrous, I SAY NO (especially when we ran the bottle 
>for
> > > over 3 miles per run), but I see why Dahlgren and others (yes Mr. Van 
>Scoy) opt
> > > for naturally aspirated or turbo
> > >
> > > Joe :)
> > > Keith Turk wrote:
> > >
> > > > I had a Choice when I ordered them ... I could have bought four extra of
> > > > each set.... but opted for a set of Plug domes for the Rodeck....
> > > >
> > > > there is a company in Okalahoma city ( not sure exactly but I think 
>that is
> > > > right ) called Rebco.... and they digitize your heads and make pistons 
>to
> > > > match your chambers... I bought the extra pistons for the Rodeck to have
> > > > them done this winter...  The shame of it is that your exactly right 
>had I
> > > > an extra Piston ... I might have saved my week at Bville.... and Yeah...
> > > > Dave asked the question...  He was out there building me a shopping 
>list of
> > > > Real Racer Tools and Parts... Geez he wants me to own a Leak down 
>tester and
> > > > a Valve Spring Tester..... What Nerve..LOL  oh and an extra couple of
> > > > pistons and a Cylinder hone.... will the guy ever be satisfied?
> > > >
> > > > Next thing you know he will want me to build a Pointy Car that Goes 
>FAST....
> > > >
> > > > Keith (barrowed two compression testors out there... both were broken...
> > > > couldn't get any compression out of either of them on that #2 cylinder
> > > > hmmm )
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "DOUG ODOM" <popms@thegrid.net>
> > > > To: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
> > > > Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 7:35 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Motor Damage
> > > >
> > > > > Keith; That is why they used to sell pistons to drag racers in sets of
> > > > > ten.            Doug
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith Turk wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well here is what we know so far.... if you run a 225hp Nitrous hit 
>on 4
> > > > > > degrees of retard for less then 3 seconds... you Burn a Hole about 
>1/4 X
> > > > 1/8
> > > > > > in the top of the #2 Piston....  Pretty little hole too I might 
>add...
> > > > > > didn't get near the Block and didn't appear to hurt any other 
>Parts...
> > > > the
> > > > > > Heads are FINE.... YEEEEAAAAAA...  it was the best looking hole I 
>have
> > > > seen
> > > > > > in a LONG time....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No Bent Valves... no cylinder damage... Nothing other then this 
>little
> > > > Girly
> > > > > > Hole.... Ain't Life Grand?.... K
> > > > >


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