Tim ,
Rereading my email proves that sending the first draft is not always my best
procedure.
I was trying to say that you would need permission from the board to provide
your own fuel. This however, has not been approved in the past. The rulebook
clearly states that if a gasoline provider is present the entrants must use
their gasoline. The reasoning being that we wish to support our vendors and
we want to have a baseline for all competitors.
I cannot speak for USFRA, but BNI will have a gasoline supplier at the World
Finals in Oct. I don't know for sure but, would think that ERC will be our
provider.
Dan Warner
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Schoeny <tschoen@fuse.net>
To: Dan Warner <dwarner@brett.cp1.electrorent.com>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: MSD Detonation Detector and Cockpit Display Meter
> Dan,I will not be bringing my car to speedweek but may come out in sept or
oct
> for one of those meets.Is gas provided for the other meets? I'm not sure
what
> you mean by a "deviation" I'd be happy to bring my own fuel if it wouldn't
cause
> any record certification problems.
> Tim Schoeny
>
> Dan Warner wrote:
>
> > No - Tim, you need to a deviation to run your own gas. At this time all
gas
> > class entries must run the spec gas. Have you contacted ERC to see if
they
> > can provide unleaded?
> >
> > Dan Warner
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tim Schoeny <tschoen@fuse.net>
> > To: Dan Warner <dwarner@electrorent.com>
> > Cc: Hyatt Engineering Ltd. <Hyatt-Engineering-Ltd@fuse.net>;
> > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 9:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: MSD Detonation Detector and Cockpit Display Meter
> >
> > > While we're on the fuel subject-the SCTA rulebook says you have to run
the
> > gas
> > > provided at the meet if some is provided.I'd like to run unleaded
racing
> > gas
> > > but I didn't think I saw any at the fuel trailer last year.Can I bring
my
> > own
> > > without causing a certification problem ?
> > > Tim Schoeny
> > >
> > > Dan Warner wrote:
> > >
> > > > Nitropropane is not banned from use at SCTA/BNI events. The list of
> > fuels in
> > > > the rulebook is there to illustrate SOME types of fuels which can be
> > used in
> > > > place of legal gasoline.
> > > >
> > > > Dan (more nitro is better, to a certain point) Warner
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Hyatt Engineering Ltd. <Hyatt-Engineering-Ltd@fuse.net>
> > > > To: John Beckett <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>;
<ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>;
> > > > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 6:40 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: MSD Detonation Detector and Cockpit Display Meter
> > > >
> > > > > John,
> > > > > Back in the 50s some of the producers of nitro proposed using it
in
> > fuel
> > > > for
> > > > > on-highway vehicles, and did a lot of research into controlling
knock
> > to
> > > > > make it streatable. They used lab type "detonation detectors",
high
> > > > > frequency accelerometers with data acquisition systems, to
observe
> > the
> > > > > knock. The conclusions were that nitromethane should always be
used
> > in
> > > > > blends with nitropropane (usually around 50/50). The nitropropane
> > helped
> > > > > enormously in controlling the knock, for reasons that were not
quite
> > > > > understood.
> > > > > While I bring this up primarily to point out that properly
calibrated
> > > > > detonation detectors can certainly be useful with nitrous, (I
suspect
> > the
> > > > > commercially available units are just calibrated for more
conventional
> > > > > applications, or are sized incorrectly and are "clipping" on the
high
> > > > > amplitude content of the spectrum), it prompts a few questions and
> > > > > observations of my own:
> > > > > Why is nitropropane not included in the list of legal fuels ? By
all
> > > > > accounts I can find it is much more stable. While it has a lower
> > oxygen
> > > > > content than nitromethane and makes less power when run undiluted,
> > anyone
> > > > > running a mix could just use more of it.
> > > > > Does anyone run undiluted or lightly diluted nitro on the salt ?
Most
> > of
> > > > > the folks I have spoken to run weak mixes, under 25% nitro, but I
do
> > not
> > > > > know how typical this is.
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > > > > To: <ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 8:21 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: MSD Detonation Detector and Cockpit Display Meter
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Doug
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From what little I know about these things they work great on
> > street
> > > > > > cars...are marginal on race cars...and I would guess about
useless
> > with
> > > > > > nitro.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John Beckett, LSR #79
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: <ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>
> > > > > > To: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 3:55 PM
> > > > > > Subject: MSD Detonation Detector and Cockpit Display Meter
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Group,
> > > > > > > Has any body out there used the MSD detonation sensor on
nitro
> > > > that
> > > > > > has a
> > > > > > > readout in the cockpit for the driver to see. Chuck Salmen has
one
> > on
> > > > > his
> > > > > > > $um-Fun gas roadster and he likes it. What I don't know is how
> > they
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > react to nitro which is on the verge of detonating at all
times.
> > > > > > > Anybody had any
experience?...............................Doug
> > > > King
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>
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