John,
It's in II-2, "Approved fuels are: Nitrous Oxide, nitromethane, alcohol and
non-approved gasoline."
But to make things really confusing in the next paragraph you find, "Engines
using CNG, LPG or diesel may compete in gasoline classes", even though LPG,
CNG, and Diesel were not on the list of approved fuels.
This would seem to indicate that a car running on LPG and nitrous would not
be legal in any class, fuel or gas, as the nitrous excludes it from gas, and
LPG is not on the approved list for fuel ???
Worse yet, by the letter of the law it seems illegal to run approved
gasoline in combination with nitrous in the fuel classes, again approved
gasoline is not on the list of legal fuels for fuel classes. Obviously that
was not the intent of the rules as it is done all the time, but it seems to
be what the book says.
On the other hand there do not seem to be any limitations on additives (in
fuel classes), so perhaps gasoline with nitropropane added is just
considered non-approved gasoline ??? Is anything still just an additive if
you are using large percentages of it, like 49% ???
Do you think it was the intent of the rules to allow any fuel in the fuel
classes, and the list in II-2 is just incomplete ?
Even more confused than usual, Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
To: "Hyatt Engineering Ltd." <Hyatt-Engineering-Ltd@fuse.net>;
<land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: Nitropropane
> Could be wrong here but I don't think there is a list of legal fuels for
> fuel class. Just legal gasoline for the gas class.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hyatt Engineering Ltd." <Hyatt-Engineering-Ltd@fuse.net>
> To: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>;
> <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 6:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Nitropropane
>
>
> > John,
> >
> > Nitropropane is manufactured by:
> > Angus Chemical Company
> > 1500 E. Lake Cook Road
> > Buffalo Grove Road, IL 60089
> > Phone: 708-215-8600
> > But they do not sell is small retail quantities. However Angus is also
> the
> > major producer of nitromethane, so most of the folks selling nitro buy
it
> > from Angus and could also get the nitropropane for you.
> > It's ability to be mixed with gas would seem to make it desirable for
> anyone
> > wanting to run in both gas and fuel classes with minimum modifications
(if
> > it was on the list of legal fuels).
> >
> > Greg
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > To: "Hyatt Engineering Ltd." <Hyatt-Engineering-Ltd@fuse.net>;
> > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 1:57 PM
> > Subject: Fuel
> >
> >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > Have read some material on nitropropane. I understand that it
mixes
> > well
> > > with gasoline. Have only heard of it being used in the 15% to 20%
range,
> > but
> > > don't know why you couldn't uses it at 50%. There may be some big
> > > differences between nitro and gas vs. nitro and alcohol that has lead
> all
> > > the racers to run nitromethane today.
> > > In small percentages may actually be easier to run your vehicle
with
> > > gasoline rather than alcohol. So where can one find nitropropane?
> > >
> > > John Beckett, LSR #79
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Hyatt Engineering Ltd." <Hyatt-Engineering-Ltd@fuse.net>
> > > To: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>;
<ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>;
> > > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 9:40 AM
> > > Subject: Re: MSD Detonation Detector and Cockpit Display Meter
> > >
> > >
> > > > John,
> > > > Back in the 50s some of the producers of nitro proposed using it in
> fuel
> > > for
> > > > on-highway vehicles, and did a lot of research into controlling
knock
> to
> > > > make it streatable. They used lab type "detonation detectors", high
> > > > frequency accelerometers with data acquisition systems, to observe
> the
> > > > knock. The conclusions were that nitromethane should always be used
> in
> > > > blends with nitropropane (usually around 50/50). The nitropropane
> helped
> > > > enormously in controlling the knock, for reasons that were not quite
> > > > understood.
> > > > While I bring this up primarily to point out that properly
calibrated
> > > > detonation detectors can certainly be useful with nitrous, (I
suspect
> > the
> > > > commercially available units are just calibrated for more
conventional
> > > > applications, or are sized incorrectly and are "clipping" on the
high
> > > > amplitude content of the spectrum), it prompts a few questions and
> > > > observations of my own:
> > > > Why is nitropropane not included in the list of legal fuels ? By all
> > > > accounts I can find it is much more stable. While it has a lower
> oxygen
> > > > content than nitromethane and makes less power when run undiluted,
> > anyone
> > > > running a mix could just use more of it.
> > > > Does anyone run undiluted or lightly diluted nitro on the salt ?
Most
> > of
> > > > the folks I have spoken to run weak mixes, under 25% nitro, but I do
> not
> > > > know how typical this is.
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > > > To: <ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 8:21 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: MSD Detonation Detector and Cockpit Display Meter
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Doug
> > > > >
> > > > > >From what little I know about these things they work great on
> street
> > > > > cars...are marginal on race cars...and I would guess about useless
> > with
> > > > > nitro.
> > > > >
> > > > > John Beckett, LSR #79
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>
> > > > > To: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 3:55 PM
> > > > > Subject: MSD Detonation Detector and Cockpit Display Meter
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Group,
> > > > > > Has any body out there used the MSD detonation sensor on
nitro
> > > that
> > > > > has a
> > > > > > readout in the cockpit for the driver to see. Chuck Salmen has
one
> > on
> > > > his
> > > > > > $um-Fun gas roadster and he likes it. What I don't know is how
> they
> > > > would
> > > > > > react to nitro which is on the verge of detonating at all times.
> > > > > > Anybody had any
experience?...............................Doug
> > > King
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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