Greeting and salutations, Dave Parks and Tom Bryant.....
Dave, we have mutual friends that we dine with occasionally....last
time you and I ate with them was at the KOA in Wendover, August of 1998
-we had Burritos and beer Remember? Of course I'm talking about our
friends the Bean Bandits...
Tom we've never really met, but I've seen you run numerous times...I
was one of the guys on the starting ilne with the look of sheer envy on his
face...!
BTW; I've got a small but good bit of video I shot of you leaving the
line at Speedweek 40 in 1988 in your "old" car if you don't... If you'd
like me to, I could probably br convinced to make you a copy of it....it
runs from your startup on the line till you almost go out of hearing if I
remember correctly. Sounds pert dam good too if I recall.....
To answer you both ever so briefly; Yes Dave you'r right about the lack
of good air flow while sitting still and that would definitely contribute to
the heat. -But Tom suggested something that is a very good point about the
possible retarded timing- (though mine was set at 38 degrees total) as far
as carbs, I made my own from nasty,grungy ol' cores of 2gc rottenchesters.
My manifold is an Offenhauser 3 deuce, and the front and rear carbs have the
idle circuits totally plugged off with threaded screws in all the orfices.
However at startup I had those spots blanked off with block off plates I'd
made for the purpose and had'er runnin' on just the center 2bbl- my goal of
course, was only a 1/2 hour break-in run at low to medium RPM so that was
plenty
My progressive linkage is all "homegrown" using the same 1/4 heims left over
from the Edelbrock TR1X tunnelram off my E/MP drag motor from 1972...and 1/4
Aluminum round stock whick I bent to the curve of the arc of the swing of
the center carby, so as to eliminate any trace of BIND in the throw- works
like a champ.
I even made progressive springs so when on 1 carb it's only using 1
spring, and with all open, its "Feel" at the pedal is stiffer 'cause it's
on 2 springs! Real proud of that-took me quite a lot of playing around to
get it "Just right"
Enough jabber fellas, I gotta get back to my CADD designing class here
at the College!
I sure enjoy and learn a lot from all the cultural interchange here on this
list- there's an INCREDIBLE amount of knowledge here.
I've been playing "Car" for 30-40 years now and allas learn somthing new
here! Ever'body keep on keepin' on OK?
-my best regards ot you all....
Doug Anderson, in "exile" in New Yawk
PS; David, how's your Dad doing?
>From: "Parks, David" <David.Parks@lfr.com>
>Reply-To: "Parks, David" <David.Parks@lfr.com>
>To: "'Thomas E. Bryant'" <saltracer@awwwsome.com>, joe boogie
><boogiewoogie12@hotmail.com>
>CC: lsr_man@yahoo.com, land-speed@autox.team.net, av8ford@volcano.net,
> tinshed@ozemail.com.au, v8ford@neca.com, jungbec@aol.com,
>whodaky@sympac.com.au, kch@digisys.net
>Subject: RE: C Motor SO, WHATS AMATTA HERE?
>Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:48:08 -0800
>
>And remember, you generally have poor air flow past the headers when it is
>just sitting there, even with a big fan blowing at the radiator...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Thomas E. Bryant [mailto:saltracer@awwwsome.com]
>Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 3:19 PM
>To: joe boogie
>Cc: lsr_man@yahoo.com; land-speed@autox.team.net; av8ford@volcano.net;
>tinshed@ozemail.com.au; v8ford@neca.com; jungbec@aol.com;
>whodaky@sympac.com.au; kch@digisys.net
>Subject: Re: C Motor SO, WHATS AMATTA HERE?
>
>
>Were the carbs on progressive linkage? Just wondering, if you remember
>the factory 3-2 bbl. setups came with a vacuum controlled end
>carburetors, no idle circuits, they were designed to run either fully
>closed or fully open. I have seen several guys put progressive linkage
>on the carbs with poor success. To make them run properly with manual
>linkage required the installation of three equal carbs. Even then they
>worked best with progressive linkage.
>
>Of course, your situation definitely appears to be a rich condition, the
>plugs obviously indicate that as well. As I'm sure you are aware, header
>heat is not a good indicator of lean mixture. Often elevated header temp
>is because the mixture is still burning as it enters the header, as is
>the case in a rich condition with retarded timing. If you aren't already
>using a progressive linkage setup, I would advise it. At cruise one carb
>is sufficient. Then you may need to rejet the end carbs. For what it is
>worth, those are my thoughts on your situation.
>
>Tom, Reding CA - #216 D/CC
>
>joe boogie wrote:
> >
> > ...just my two cents fellas, but when I fired up ol' boogiewoogie
>for
> > the first time with all settings as they should be, she acted lean as
>hell
> > too! the headers were so hot you could almost see through them!!! BW's
> > motor? a.040 over early small journal 327 with about 10.25-1
>compression,
>a
> > lumpity 286degree .490 lift hydraulic Comp Cam, and ported heads,
>-started
> > for the first time on the center rottenchester carb of a 3 deuce setup.
> > When the thing cooled enough to look at it, I pulled the plugs thinking
> > awful "LEAN" and they were coated with sooty flat black blackie
>carbon.....
> >
> > She's been that way ever since too, even though I've played and played
>with
> > the jetting! Got 14,000 miles onnit that way, she runs real good, and
>gets
> > 15-17 mpg on the road WITHOUT O.D. -with a 3.5-1 rear gear.....Go
>figure.
> > Even on the hot interstate for hours on end during the long trek to
> > Bonneville and back from New Yawk in August '98 the plugs never really
>got
> > to lookin' as "LEAN" as I would have liked them...dam tree duces
>annyways"
> > HUH boys ?
> >
> > I've been thinkin' ever since startup, that all that initial
>heat
>on
> > the headers was a brandy new motor "feelin' it's pain" whilst breakin'
> > in....I got no other explanation for it.
> > I do remember having to use a huge industrial fan I had at my
> > disposal to keep'er cool enough to run for my first 1/2 hour break-in
> > (sitting stationary in the garage) She definitely was HOT at the
>headers
> > while temp read 210 at the gauge. After 3 or 4 run ins she eventually
> > "Cooled down" at the headers. Never noticed it like that before with
>any
> > other motors I ever built.
> > Thought it was kind'a strange then, an' still do. Dat's m' story an'
>I'm
> > stickin toit.
> >
> > -Doug Anderson, in exile in New Yawk...you know the rest.
> >
> > >From: Dick J <lsr_man@yahoo.com>
> > >Reply-To: Dick J <lsr_man@yahoo.com>
> > >To: Tim Schoeny <j82244@fuse.net>, Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>
> > >CC: "Lawrence E. & Cathy R. Mayfield" <lemay@hiwaay.net>,
> > >land-speed@autox.team.net
> > >Subject: Re: C Motor
> > >Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:01:07 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >I encountered this same problem with a racing
> > >cycle a few years ago. If athe timing is on,
> > >then my guess is it's a little too lean. The hand
> > >over the carb supports that too. Make sure the
> > >carb doesn't have any dirt in and the jets are
> > >flowing what they were meant to flow. If it's
> > >clean, possible try some bigger mains.
> > >
> > >Dick J
> > >
> > >--- Tim Schoeny <j82244@fuse.net> wrote:
> > > > Kieth,could be lean or might have cam
> > > > retarded(although wouldn't sound crisp
> > > > with retard). Two things I find helpfull in
> > > > getting inital setup are an air/fuel
> > > > gage and an exhaust temp gage-they take a lot
> > > > of the guesswork out of the
> > > > process. Good luck.
> > > >
> > > > Tim Schoeny
> > > >
> > > > Keith Turk wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Well We cranked up the C motor tonight..
> > > > Sounds fine but the Headers started
> > > > > Glowing... and to be honest I think we were
> > > > just to Tired to come up with
> > > > > the correct answer as to what our Problem
> > > > is....
> > > > >
> > > > > We double Checked the timing... but I am
> > > > still not 100% on it.... and the
> > > > > Carb seams to be just fine.... but Maybe
> > > > not... didn't see it dumping any
> > > > > raw fuel with the Fuel Pump on....
> > > > >
> > > > > So tomarrow I am going to Re-adjust the
> > > > Valves and reset the Timing... I did
> > > > > call Doug Odom... and he recommended covering
> > > > the Carb with a Hand and
> > > > > seeing if that Brought the Temps Down.... and
> > > > it Does...so that is
> > > > > encouraging...
> > > > >
> > > > > The Motor is Really Crisp.... so Basically
> > > > it's something Simple.... Who
> > > > > Knows... Hey anyone want to Hazard a Guess?
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Lawrence E. & Cathy R. Mayfield
> > > > <lemay@hiwaay.net>
> > > > > To: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 4:02 AM
> > > > > Subject: Anybody Live close to ...
> > > > >
> > > > > > I am moving to the Las Vegas area this
> > > > summer or before. Are any of the
> > > > > > list members in that locale?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mayf
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > L.E. Mayfield
> > > > > > 124 Maximillion Drive
> > > > > > Madison, Al. 35758-8171
> > > > > > ph: 1-256-837-1051
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://home.hiwaay.net/~lemayf
> > > > > >
> > > > > > lemay@hiwaay.net
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sunbeam Tiger, B9471136
> > > > > > Sunbeam Alpine Bonneville Land Speed Racer,
> > > > > > '66 Hydroplane Drag Boat (390 FE)
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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